Posted on 01/19/2012 9:18:41 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
I mean, really. How dare you peasants tell the government what to do? How dare you tell them to stay out of your lives? Santorum 2012!
(VIDEO AT LINK)
"One of the criticisms I make is to what I refer to as more of a Libertarianish right.
They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues.
That is not how traditional conservatives view the world. There is no such society that I’m aware of, where we’ve had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture.”
- Rick Santorum
First off, the phrase “radical individualism” is something I expect to hear from a Saudi imam. Hell, I wouldn’t be too surprised to hear it from leftists in this country. When I hear it from a Republican candidate for president, I sit blinking for a couple of minutes and then curl up in a ball under my desk, crying softly.
Secondly, I have to wonder: is Santorum insane, or even more out of touch with his base than any of the other candidates? This guy has the balls to whine about people wanting the government to leave them alone? Um, Ricky, I’m pretty sure the top issue for most conservatives is government overreach. There’s this thing called ObamaCare. Heard of it?
However, the true Emmy award winner of this piece is when he disputes the notion that “government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low”. You’re absolutely right, bud. I hope you get up on a podium tonight and deliver, in that notoriously whiny timbre of yours, admonishment to all those non-traditional conservatives who won’t shut up about lower taxes and less regulation. See how that flies in South Carolina. Rick Santorum is a statist theocrat. I’ve said it before, and been challenged on it. I consider this quote to be a follow up to this endlessly disturbing piece from nine years ago. Rick Santorum’s agenda involves using government power to enforce his morality on the American people, based not on political or constitutional ideals, but on his religious views. He is as far removed from the Tea Party, and the concept of small-government conservatism, as Barack Obama.
But lucky us! We can also choose from a socialist who provided the blueprint for ObamaCare, a serial cheater and liar with an ego the size of Neptune, or an isolationist crank who wouldn’t have stopped the Holocaust if it were occurring in present day. Johnnie Walker is my co-pilot.
No, slick, it grants limited POWERS to the government, and that Constitution was a warrant from the PEOPLE and the STATES, giving authority to a Federal Government.
The PEOPLE are sovereign here in the US, and biblically, that is authorized by God, or we wouldn't be.
You need to re-read it. Show me where it says governments have rights.
/johnny
So the GOP field is whittled down to:
Romney (A Liberal Progressive selected by the ruling class as the Conservative of Choice)
Santorum (A Socially Conservative smaller-Big Government Progressive)
Gingrich (A well spoken neo-Conservative Progressive)
Paul (An Antisemitic Libertarian Isolationist)
The circus has truly gone to the clowns. No matter what we’re screwed. Somebody wake me up from this nightmare.
“Personal responsibility enforced by the government is no such thing.”
*sigh*
I’m talking about how one is to be governed by God, not the State. Autonomy defies communism, yes, it also defies Faith, in arguing that nobody is the boss of you, not even God. In this, it is contrary to what America was founded on.
Rights come from God, you did not earn them, or get them yourself.
We Hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, and are endowed by their CREATOR, certain inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
God gave you these rights, not you. Autonomy is wrong, and contradicts what America believes.
“Ever hear of “the right to life, LIBERTY and the pursuit of happiness”? “
Ever hear, GRANTED BY THEIR CREATOR
“A definition of liberty from online: ‘the freedom to think or act without being constrained by necessity or force.’ :
Freedom without constraint is libertinism. It is not the same as Liberty.
“When government is making someone live up to his/her obligations it is as a means of protecting the rights of the one on the receiving end of those obligations”
Again, I am talking about being governed by God, not by the government.
“The PEOPLE are sovereign here in the US, and biblically, that is authorized by God, or we wouldn’t be.”
Then autonomy is wrong, because if God’s authorizing the whole show, then we are not rulers of our self. God rules us.
As for powers/rights. That is my bad. You are correct here. I am arguing that one of the constitutionally granted POWERS of the federal government is the power to regulate goods which enter the country, the power to enact tariffs, etc. Even prior to the 10th, this exists. The 10th expressly speaks of powers not enumerated, but the power to regulate goods entering the country is an enumerated power of the federal government.
Then I will pray for you. I hope you can reconsider. Difficult, when so many A-holes make it seem so negative. I understand that.
And God gave you the choice. So it's up to you, not me, or even God.
But I would like for you to find the Lord. ;)
/johnny
There is no Constitutional right to bear arms. It is a right “endowed by our Creator.” The Constitution doesn’t give any rights at all it only defines the protection of them.
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It’s called the bill of rights not the bill of protections. Read the Ninth Amendment.
This is a good question.
Free Will, states that we, ultimately, decide our own fates. That we can choose to defy God.
Autonomy, is self-rule.
Christians believe (other religions believe different things), that Free Will comes from God. That he is the one who is in control. Thus, even though we have free will, we are not rulers of our self. We are not our own masters, because it’s God who has granted us this freedom.
This is why God teaches us that we have to give up our autonomy in order to be one with him, but we do not give up our Free Will. We are no longer our own masters, but we still have our individuality.
Picture a room, a white room. Nothing exists outside of you. That is autonomy. You have full control over everything in that room, nothing in that room happens unless you choose to do it.
This is what Santorum is talking about here - it’s not the real world, and if you attempt to make that white room the way that people work, you fail.
Speak with your pastor about this, and show him a print-out of this thread.
/johnny
So, if Bubba grows pot in Arkansas, and sells it in Arkansas, and it gets smoked in Arkansas, then by your logic, the FedGov has no say in the matter, since it didn't cross the border.
I'm ok with that interpretation. But Arkansas still has the power to outlaw it.
/johnny
I don't need to read the 9th or any other amendment. The Constitution does not give any rights. The DoI makes that clear enough.
You are making up your own definition of autonomy.
au·ton·o·my [aw-ton-uh-mee]noun, plural -mies.
1. independence or freedom, as of the will or one's actions: the autonomy of the individual.
2. the condition of being autonomous; self-government, or the right of self-government; independence: The rebels demanded autonomy from Spain.
3. a self-governing community.
“According to Christian teachers, the essential vice, the utmost evil, is Pride… it was through Pride that the devil became the devil: Pride leads to every other vice: it is the complete anti-God state of mind.”
“The natural life in each of us is something self-centred, something that wants to be petted and admired, to take advantage of other lives, to exploit the whole universe. And especially it wants to be left to itself: to keep well away from anything better or stronger or higher than it, anything that might make it feel small. It is afraid of the light and air of the spiritual world, just as people who have been brought up to be dirty are afraid of a bath. And in a sense it is quite right. It knows that if the spiritual life gets hold of it, all of its self-centredness and self-will are going to be killed and it is ready to fight tooth and nail to avoid that”
Print these out and show them to yours.
Stupid as I am, I hold to the stubborn belief that morality at the point of a gun wasn't quite what the Founders had in mind.
The author was certainly hitting the sauce when they penned this drivel.
Isn’t that what I’ve been saying about local regulations fron the beginning?
Take a look back and see.
If AK has the right to outlaw it then possession of it is not a natural right. This is different from our other natural rights - and different from the right to bear arms in the 2nd, which is explicitly protected.
The two are not the same, and it’s important to remember the difference. Not because it’s an ‘anti-freedom argument’, but because it’s important to understand what freedom is in actuality.
Not of the Federal gov it doesn't.
On the contrary, I’m attempting to explain the concept with greater precision.
Quoting a dictionary at me is like telling someone that saying he won a set is wrong, since he’s not touching the table.
Have you taken any philosophy at all?
Read the 10th again. Enumerated powers to the federal government are not touched.
The 10th reserves powers not enumerated to the states.
You want control, instead of leaving things like God set them up, with each of us to choose freely to come to Jesus.
I can't support that. It sounds like satanic counfounding.
Muslims are famous for that. They have groups for the "Prevention of vice and Promotion of Virtue".
They throw acid on schoolgirls.
/johnny
I know enough about philosophy to know it’s the biggest bunkum ever. You’re splitting hairs over the definition of autonomy vs. free will and you had to make up a bizarre definition of your own to keep your argument afloat.
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