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Romney’s Nomination No Lock (No ****, Sherlock!)
Frum Forum ^ | March 2, 2010 | Alex Knepper

Posted on 03/14/2010 2:59:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

An ABC News review of Mitt Romney’s new book ends thus: “If history is any guide, however, Romney stands a decent chance of getting his party’s nod. Although he was hurt last time by questions about his authenticity, Republicans have a long tradition of nominating second-time candidates: think Richard Nixon in 1968, Ronald Reagan in 1980, George H.W. Bush in 1988, Bob Dole in 1996, and John McCain in 2008″

This is the conventional wisdom; we’re all used to hearing it. It’s the idea that Republicans nominate the “next-in-line” candidate, or the runner-up from last season’s primaries. It’s superficially plausible. But it doesn’t hold up to close examination.

There seems to be no discernible pattern to the examples continually raised. Richard Nixon’s 1968 presidential run was his second time running for president, but he also was a previous presidential nominee — and a former vice-president. Ronald Reagan actually won among primary voters in his 1968 run, and did not win the nomination until his third attempt at the presidency, in 1980. John McCain made his first run as a national unknown and won the nomination the second time as a known commodity. I can’t find much of a pattern in this.

George H.W. Bush’s win in 1988 was due not to the fact that he was the runner-up in the 1980 primaries, but because he was Ronald Reagan’s vice-president. Bob Dole’s 1996 nomination seems plausible at first, but why wasn’t Pat Buchanan able to topple him, given his run against George H.W. Bush? And if we’re not counting races against incumbents, then why does Ronald Reagan’s 1976 run count? And if Republicans really nominate the “next-in-line,” then wouldn’t we have to subscribe to the idea that Pat Buchanan would have been the frontrunner, had he run against George W. Bush?

One might argue instead that Republicans prefer the familiar, and tend to fall in line behind known commodities. But that doesn’t even hold. Nobody “fell in line” behind John McCain; his hitherto-unknown rivals Mitt Romney, Fred Thompson, Ron Paul, and Mike Huckabee accumulated a majority of the votes in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Michigan, and Florida. A clear majority of Republicans opted for the unfamiliar. One false move by John McCain and he’d have been knocked out of the primary fight for someone who was clearly not “next-in-line.” He walked a tightrope to the nomination.

Why do reporters and pundits keep parroting this myth? The “next-in-line” idea makes it easy for media types to sound like they’ve stumbled onto an important insight into the Republican psyche. Alas, as with so much of the conventional wisdom, there’s just no ‘there’ there once history is put into its proper context.


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But he brought RomneyCare to the Bay State and was anti/pro/anti-abortion. What more could we ask for?
1 posted on 03/14/2010 2:59:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What more could we ask for? ......... Fresh new blood?


2 posted on 03/14/2010 3:08:37 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft
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3 posted on 03/14/2010 3:09:57 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Here we go again. Round 2 from the 5:32 post.


4 posted on 03/14/2010 3:10:34 PM PDT by donhunt (America needs Obama-care like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
No power on earth could ever compel me to vote for Romney.
5 posted on 03/14/2010 3:11:22 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This article is by ...

Alex Knepper, an openly gay conservative,...

It's the liberal, gay, MSM that is pushing Romney.

6 posted on 03/14/2010 3:12:23 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Romney gets “the nod,” I’m out of the GOP. He has not one principle in common with any conservative. Romney is way worse than McCain.


7 posted on 03/14/2010 3:14:31 PM PDT by livius
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To: Farmer Dean

I’ll betcha Obama could force you into voting for Romney.


8 posted on 03/14/2010 3:16:25 PM PDT by donhunt (America needs Obama-care like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask.)
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To: donhunt

Thanks for pointing out that vanity to me, I hadn’t seen it.


9 posted on 03/14/2010 3:20:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (If we're an Empire, why are Cuba, Iraq, the Philippines, Japan & Germany independent?)
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To: donhunt
Nope. Not after Romney worked against the GOP ticket in 2008.

Romneycare: “If I am not coronated, I shall destroy
the GOP candidates like Palin in the last election.
Now go buy my book, ignore what I’ve done,
and go back to play with you (sic) bananas.”

"Frum ... (Romney supporter called Gov. Palin’s) nomination a "huge mistake" October 13 (2008)"


Frum: "I will support (Romney) without qualm."


"Romney presidential campaign staffers…have been involved in spreading anti-Palin spin to reporters."


" 80 percent of Romney's former staff was absorbed by McCain
and these individuals were responsible for what amounts
to a premeditated, last-minute sabotage of Palin."


"These staffers are now out trying to finish her off
….hoping it would ingratiate themselves with Mitt Romney."


"the Palin Leaker from the McCain Campaign?
... was Nicolle Wallace's husband."


"Peeking Out From the McCain Wreckage: Mitt Romney"

"Someone's got to say it: IS MITT ROMNEY RESPONSIBLE FOR OBAMA'S VICTORY?"

"Vanity: Team Romney Sabotaged Palin and Continuing to Do So?"

"Romney Supporters Trashing Palin"

"Romney advisors sniping at Palin?"

10 posted on 03/14/2010 3:21:10 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: donhunt

“I’ll betcha Obama could force you into voting for Romney.”

Some choice you give us arsenic or cyanide.


11 posted on 03/14/2010 3:23:19 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I say again. Mitt couldn’t beat Juan McDemocrat.


12 posted on 03/14/2010 3:23:44 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bail out)
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To: DannyTN

Personally, I’d prefer my gay Republicans to be openly so, rather than closeted.


13 posted on 03/14/2010 3:24:30 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Diogenesis

Does anyone have an estimate comparing how much Perot spent with how much Mitt has spent, just so far, in pursuit of the Presidency? I suspect Mitt’s breaking records.


14 posted on 03/14/2010 3:26:13 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
"Personally, I’d prefer my gay Republicans to be openly so, rather than closeted."

I would too. Although I suspect that most of the gay Republicans vote liberal, and are here just to maintain a gay presence and voice in the Republican camp.

But I think we need to be aware of how much gay influence is in the MSM.

15 posted on 03/14/2010 3:31:08 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: donhunt

I’ll betcha Obama could force you into voting for Romney.


If Republicans take back the House and the Senate in 2010 and hold that advantage in 2012 there is little more that Obama could do to harm us any more than Romney. I woulodnt vote Obama, but I would write in Donald Duck before voting Romney.


16 posted on 03/14/2010 3:32:12 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s His Turn.


17 posted on 03/14/2010 3:55:38 PM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: arthurus

Did you read the article? It says it doesn’t necessarily work that way.


18 posted on 03/14/2010 4:03:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (If we're an Empire, why are Cuba, Iraq, the Philippines, Japan & Germany independent?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I read it. It will work that way. The Democrats will control the Republican primaries in 2012. They will already have their candidate and many will reregister as Republicans for the primaries.It will probably be done pretty openly and the Republican Party orgs will cheer it. And, of course, the government media will be in full throat support for Romney until he turns into Hitler when he is actually nominated.


19 posted on 03/14/2010 4:41:37 PM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Bush I was "nest in line" in 1980 but Reagan bumped him.If Reagan had not made the deal with him for VP the party probably would have come apart at that point because it was Bush's Turn and the Republican poobahs would have opposed Reagan after the Nomination or just not supported him while sneering at "the actor." That attitude gave us the resounding thud of GEH Bush's presidency, Clinton's presidency and GWB who was a disaster for the country economically in that he paved the way for Soetoro and initiated the government $hovelouts so that it would be much easier for his successor to bankrupt the country.

I agree with the observation that the country is ruled alternately by the Criminal Party and the Stupid Party.

20 posted on 03/14/2010 4:54:55 PM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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