What's More Sacred, Marriage or the Constitution?

June 30th, 2003 | Sabertooth

[Sabertooth]

With talk of a Constitutional Amendment preserving the traditional definition of marriage, this subject came up on another thread.

I thought I'd throw it out to the forum for discussion.

[Aquinasfan]

Future generations pass through the family. The family is the basic building block of society.

I find it helpful to compare the traditional and Soviet methods of child-rearing, children growing up with the love of a mother and a father or children growing up under State caretakers with the love of the counterperson at the DMV.

[BikerNYC]

Sure it will change, but not as fast as Liz Taylor's marriages.

[NittanyLion]

I've got it at about 10-7 for marriage. 10-8 if you count my 2nd vote...hehehe.

[glock rocks]

pepsi.

[hosepipe]

Good question, you're on to something...
I choose.. marriage....
The Constitution is a playtoy for lawyers.... damning enough.. but worse it legitimizes them.... Twenty five years ago, If you would told me that, I would have laughed... Am not laughing anymore....

Little wonder the 2nd amendment was given to make revolution legal or at least possible.. The founders genius was circular.. To bad the U.S. don't have 2 balls to rub together or this thread would not be cogent but laughable..

[I_Love_My_Husband]

Personal level - marriage,
Political level - constitution

I can't choose deeper than that. Marriage is sacred to me in my heart and soul, but on a political level the constitution (what's left of it) is worth protecting.

[MHGinTN]

Hmmm, I agree it's not a good idea to juxtaposed these two. Marriage is an institution within society, but within nearly all societies throughout history. The Constitution is 'common glue' for the society, this particular society. Which of the two, if it were suddenly removed from the mix, would impact our society the most?

Essentially, marriage is an institution of civilization (as the greater concept than society). Regardless of the existence of a Constitution, the institution of marriage is an essential for organized civilization. [And before someone asks, I happen to believe homosexuality is a degeneracy of the human soul, thus an aberrant behavioral symptom, first of individuals, then of a civilization. If a civilization goes so far as to 'normalize' degenerate behavior, the society expecting to exist within such a civilizational context is doomed to corruption that will ultimately kill it. But if, for instance, the state protects 'homosexual marriage'--makes it a constitutionally protected right based on chosen behavior rather than fact of nature-- in this society we have the means to change such affirmation of aberrancy, so we impeach and remove the 'black-robed self-aggrandizing philosopher kings' and put things back as they ought be for the civilization to 'nourish the society'. If We The People don't act to cut off SCOTUS affirmation for degenrate behavior, and thus allow one of the basic institutions necessary for the survival of civilization, we will deserve what follows.]

[nmh]

IMHO, you said it best, "I vote for marriage. It's divinely ordained, and has been around longer." Regardless of what mere fallible mortals do to our laws, Constitution etc., it is Biblical principles and teachings that I try to mold my life around.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the heads up!

[Coleus]

Our Constitution, The US constitution?

I would say Marriage since God instituted it, it is divinely inspired and the first covenant between God and Man.

The US Constitution is made by fallible human beings and is only as good as it's interpretation and how the courts interpret it. Also, the USA could fall like Rome or any other dynasty. Nothing lives forever.

[Calpernia]

>>>>, I happen to believe homosexuality is a degeneracy of the human soul, thus an aberrant behavioral symptom, first of individuals, then of a civilization. If a civilization goes so far as to 'normalize' degenerate behavior, the society expecting to exist within such a civilizational context is doomed to corruption that will ultimately kill it.

I want to add here...my husband and his partners (psychiatrists), see a higher client base among patients from single, divorced, drug infuenced and homosexual home based environments.

[Calpernia]

bump!

[Calpernia]

Now let's do comparative psychology and look at other species.

• Wolves
• Beavers
• Gibbons
• Dik-dik
• Birds
• Weasels

  Scientists view these animal as living in stable, monogamous pairs, while most mammals do not. Among birds, some of the most famously faithful are penguins, cranes, pigeons, and parrots. Geese, swans, doves, and albatrosses are generally believed to remain totally faithful to one partner death do them part. In fact, swans have become the symbol of life-long romance in popular lore, because when they swim off together to mate, their heads touch and their necks form a heart shape.

  Gibbons, as well as orangutans and gorillas, are anthropoid apes, the primates that most closely resemble humans, physically and behaviorally. They are regarded as monogamous, male and female gibbons pair up for life, forming a family that stays together until the offspring grow up and leave home. The bond between the couple is reinforced by the hours they spend grooming each other.

[Quick1]

I'd have to disagree with you there, and say that a 50% divorce rate in the country shows that marriage is the most likely to be desecrated.

[MHGinTN]

Actually, if you're gonna disagree (as in desecration), wouldn't you want to focus upon the comparison of couples cohabitating with and without the vows of matrimony, rather than pointing to the divorce rate which shows the people were enough in favor of the vows to have entered into them even if they later wanted to set them aside and move on to the next person they wanted to swap vows with?

[nunya bidness]

I've never been afraid of freedom, and I'm not about to start now. It's about time "fundamental rights" are addressed. Let's get it all out in the open for the next election.

.If you think the "supremecy clause" doesn't mean you sound off. Personally, all my rights come from my creator and never have to be filtered through the state. But that's just me.

[MeekOneGOP]

[DannyTN]

"I'd have to disagree with you there, and say that a 50% divorce rate in the country shows that marriage is the most likely to be desecrated. "

Yikes! Good point. And I thought "Nothing's sacred" was just a saying.

[Tauzero]

sounds like a plan :)

[Tauzero]

" If you really love someone and plan to be with them the rest of your life, do you really need a contract? "

You don't need one, but many people find them useful.

To paraphrase a great man, a house might stand longer with a brace.