Watch for gun control blueprint to emerge from Iraq occupation

April 11, 2003 | Richard Rongstad

[corsair]

Watch for gun control blueprint to emerge from Iraq occupation - thousands of Iraqi households keep firearms for protection and part of a long tradition - with collapse of Saddam Hussein government and disappearance of rational civil policing of criminals - there may emerge public safety pretexts for gun confiscation in Iraq - gun control activists embedded in U.S. military will attempt to transfer lessons learned to the U.S.

[corsair]

This is my opinion based on the familiar tone of Henny Penny the sky is falling in news stories about all the freshly liberated Iraqis with their own guns.

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[wastoute]

The mistake the gun grabbers always make is that they assume that they can use that same Army we have seen in action to confiscate our firearms. They assume those boys would come home and obey their orders to disarm their brothers and fathers (and sister and mothers). The reality is, a good number of the folks they have seen in action would be on our side in such an endeavor...

[Kenton]

gun control activists embedded in U.S. military

Care to elaborate? I've never heard of any "gun control activists embedded in U.S. military". What/who are you referring to?

[demosthenes the elder]

pshaw!
the only gun control activists I ever encountered in the Army were the range masters!

[Atlas Sneezed]

bang

[Blood of Tyrants]

For all the claims of guns available to the public, the average Iraqi makes $2 a day. A gun costs at least $100. Do the math. The average Iraqi can't afford one. The only Iraqis who had guns were those who were in good with some of Saddam's thugs.

[going hot]

...and the ones who were forsighted enough to "liberate" firearms from the deserted, but fully stocked armories.

[stevio]

I did hear yesterday that the British troops were asking everybody to turn in their weapons, in the town they were in. But then again, that is the British way.

[Jimmy Blevins]

Yes the British just love stealing peoples guns.

The repors\ts I have seen given by a 3rd SF Group master sergeant was that "the Kalashnikov was fine for the civillians to own, its the big stuff they are after. And it looks like everyone needs sme self defense around here"

I think only small arms confiscated will be the fighting enemys small arms.

[Jimmy Blevins]

Afganistan was where I meant to indicate that the 3rd group member stated that civillians were allowed to keep there AK's

[corsair]

gun control activists embedded in U.S. military

Care to elaborate? I've never heard of any "gun control activists embedded in U.S. military". What/who are you referring to?

The way I see it, (1) military personnel are conditioned and trained to expect they must sign for (be registered) a firearm by serial number; so in civilian life some of them will think, sure why not, gun registration is no big deal, I'm used to it, it could be a good thing.

(2) military personnel no longer have a service number, they use the social security number, and when asked by an authorative figure they'll give it everytime they're asked, so in the military we have the ubiquitous social security numbers tied to names tied to gun serial numbers.

(3) Also, I don't see all the younger troops fully comprehending what is a slippery slope and fully comprehending the Constitution and Bill of Rights, especially vis-a-vis the Second Amendment.

(4) Then there is the nerve tingling matter of the Combat Arms Survey conducted by LCDR Guy Cunningham in 1994, in Question 46.

The stated scenario was "The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession, sale, transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting firearms. A thirty (30) day amnesty period is permitted for these firearms to be turned over to the local authorities. At the end of this period, a number of citizen groups refuse to turn over their firearms."

The survey was conducted using 300 Marines at 29 Palms.

After reading the statement the Marines were asked;

I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government.

(   )           (   )             (   )    (   )        (   )
No opinion   Strongly disagree   Disagree   Agree   Strongly agree

264 Marines (88%) responded. 26.34% of the 300 agreed they would fire. 61.66% of the 300 said they would not fire. The fly in the ointment is that if the 26.34% answers was a desirable indicator, they could be separated from the rest and assigned such duties. Or, in a perfect world of my design, they would be separated from the group and given additional training, and if they failed again, they would be separated permanently. It's not a perfect world.

There's always somebody in the outfit that thinks that gun control is no big deal, and there is the embedded reporters.

Does anyone actually believe all these reporters embedded with the troops have genuine conservative political attitudes? I don't think so. Some of them will see all the chaos in Iraq and say oh yeah, they confiscated all the guns and the neighborhood quieted right down, it worked here it should work in South Central L.A. and fill in the blanks for your favorite high crime neigbhorhood.

It's not a perfect world. I don't seriously believe that the DoD would intentionally embed gun control activists in the ranks or that the gun control lunatics would be smart enough to embed their own. It's just that a certain number will be favorably disposed to gun control, before, during and after active military service. On the up side, maybe witnessing gun confiscation might be a powerful incentive to fight in The American Homeland and the Taliban confiscated guns in Afghanistan.

Am I paranoid? You bet your sweet ass. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me. (:>).