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Official "I'm sorry for what I said about Elizabeth Smart" thread

Posted on 03/18/2003 12:26:30 PM PST by Grig

OK all you freepers who where claiming ES was somehow a willing participant, easily dupped, or a runnaway.

Here is your chance to show us how mature and adult you can be. read this http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/867965/posts?q=1&&page=51#14 then post here to admit your error and apologize. I will freely forgive anyone who does so.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: arrogance; holierthanthou; ofclkissmyasskeyword; seccouncilwannabe; selfaggradizement; selfserving
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To: Alberta's Child
But for the same girl to help the police come up with a remarkably accurate composite sketch of the guy's face four months later certianly raises a reasonable question, I think.

Actually, there were three composites, from three family members who had seen Mitchell when he worked there. They were all quite different. The one that was released wasn't really that good. It was the name "Emmanuel" that caught the interest of Mitchell's stepchildren. Without the name, I seriously doubt anyone would have recognized the composite. The stepchildren immediately contacted the police and began cooperating and supplying pictures of the guy in his Jesus garb.

101 posted on 03/18/2003 1:34:42 PM PST by lady lawyer
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To: demkicker; alnick; Alberta's Child
To sum it up, you're a real prick.

See what I mean, alnick?

demkicker's already calling AC a "prick."

I just don't get this kind of anger. It's almost like somebody's got a bet going.

102 posted on 03/18/2003 1:35:01 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
Where've ya been? Westerfield wasn't the first threads where flaming got out of control. (It was pretty raw from BOTH SIDES. OTOH, the comments weren't directed at the child in that case.) Smart threads won't be the last of the flame wars either. You're right, the whole tone has changed.


As long as there are questions without the name calling it's fine. Without the questions, we'd just be sheeple.
103 posted on 03/18/2003 1:37:52 PM PST by Jaded (Close the BORDERS and the CHECKBOOK!!)
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To: MAWG
Your logic is flawed in this syllogism because it assumes that the young girl who disappeared is the SAME girl who 9 months later refers to herself as "...... girl who ran away." They are not the same person and if you were to be honest for a change, you'd admit that.

Your comments are misdirected. My logic is not flawed at all -- my problem is that I've used perfectly clear logic in a case where it may not apply because of all the other circumstances. But don't just shrug it off -- this is precisely the kind of logic that may very well be used by a good defense attorney to get this Mitchell freak off the hook.

What is interesting about cases like this is that people reflexively decide that the person in question (usually it's a defendant) is not acting in a fully rational manner for one reason or another, without realizing that this assumption also makes anything else this person says suspect.

Kind of like the defense attorney who argues that his client is insane (to keep him out of prison or out of the electric chair), but then goes back the next day and argues that the client is perfectly normal (to keep him out of a mental hospital).

104 posted on 03/18/2003 1:39:19 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: varina davis; Bella; FR_addict
Ping!
105 posted on 03/18/2003 1:40:39 PM PST by Devil_Anse
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To: alnick
so leave me out of your little experiment please.

Nope. If you're on the thread, you're in the experiment.

But, the experiment is getting so predictable, it's going to get boring soon.

DMWT is telling AC to get off the thread. Who knows? AC may be giggin' the rest of you with a stick. Just to get some kind of reaction. That's an interesting angle.

The first banning is coming soon.

106 posted on 03/18/2003 1:40:56 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Goodman26; Don'tMessWithTexas
Goodman is right on target here.

There might be some exceptions, but every post I read that allegedly "questioned ES's decency" was nothing of the sort. In fact, every one of us agreed that this Mitchell character should face criminal charges regardless of what the facts of the case were.

107 posted on 03/18/2003 1:41:54 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child
That simple fact in and of itself is perfectly reasonable. But for the same girl to help the police come up with a remarkably accurate composite sketch of the guy's face four months later certianly raises a reasonable question, I think.

No, it really doesn't. She saw him one day for a few hours. She was traumatized. Maybe -- maybe -- she had seen him around town. It was dark. Maybe it took a while for her to finally remember the guy who worked on the roof for a few hours.

These little things are typical things. People's memories are not absolutely perfect at all times in all ways. Little details can be distorted by memory, and then click later.

This is a nine-year-old child.

Now, if you want to wonder about it that's one thing, but to spin wild tales based on little things that are all easily explained, well I don't know what to tell you, except that in the end, the little girl's memory saved the day, didn't it.

108 posted on 03/18/2003 1:43:07 PM PST by alnick
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To: Jaded
As long as there are questions without the name calling it's fine.

There never is. These threads allow me to add to my vocabulary of desultory insults.

109 posted on 03/18/2003 1:43:17 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Alberta's Child
I like Sensenbrenner.

That said, each and every American citizen has a PERFECT RIGHT to DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY from the members of our Congress, who are OUR SERVANTS. We are not supposed to be THEIR servants. They are supposed to be OUR servants.

Sensenbrenner is not a god. He is paid by US. He and the rest of them better look sharp.
110 posted on 03/18/2003 1:43:28 PM PST by Devil_Anse
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To: Alberta's Child
in that scenario, you have placed Elizabeth Smart in the role of the "sick freak."

After being psychologically dominated by a violent, sexually abusive kidnapper for the better part of a year, she'd be lucky not to be pretty messed up.

111 posted on 03/18/2003 1:44:49 PM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, Zoolander)
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To: demkicker
Because your scenario involves the sick freak calling himself Jesus, and asking me if I would believe him just because he says so.

Elizabeth Smart called herself "the girl that ran away," but she wasn't necessarily telling the truth. The sick freak called himself "Jesus," but he wasn't necessarily telling the truth.

Sincerely,

A. Einstein

112 posted on 03/18/2003 1:45:03 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child
EVERY CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES IS THE BOSS OF THE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS!

EVERY CITIZEN HAS A PERFECT RIGHT TO DEMAND THAT OUR PUBLIC SERVANTS BE ACCOUNTABLE TO US!

DEMANDING THAT THOSE CONGRESSMEN AND WOMEN EXPLAIN THEIR OFFICIAL ACTIONS TO THE TAXPAYERS IS NOT EQUAL TO "BEING AN A$$HOLE"!!!
113 posted on 03/18/2003 1:46:28 PM PST by Devil_Anse (And yes, I like Sensenbrenner. But he's the public's servant.)
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To: Goodman26
Oh, you must have missed the calls for prosecuting her, and making her family pay for the search, because she obviously wanted an adventure...

SICK!!! Just SICK!!
114 posted on 03/18/2003 1:48:25 PM PST by Politicalmom
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To: Alberta's Child
You assert that because Elizabeth claimed to be " that girl who ran away " when she was finally found by the police, SHE DID RUN AWAY. That is what you are saying. Dont deny it! Be honest for once. We now know from the evidence presented, that she went through being raped,held in a pit without adequate water, sanitation and food for the first two months. She and her family were threatened with death. The enemy combatants in Gitmo have it better.

There is no way an innocent, sweet 14 year old girl like Elizabeth would be the same after 9 months of that kind of experience. Any jury will see that.

115 posted on 03/18/2003 1:48:47 PM PST by MAWG
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To: Calcetines
The parents' actions enrage you Perspective so skewed The perps don't move you to comment

I have not followed the discussion here at FR about this case until she was found alive.

The same phenom you refer to above was evident in the Danielle van Dam kidnap/murder threads, here, too.

116 posted on 03/18/2003 1:49:47 PM PST by cyncooper (God Be With President Bush, PM Blair, and the Coalition of the Willing)
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To: alnick
You've really missed my whole point here.

Watch how quickly the same people who insist that the younger sister was "traumatized" when it comes to explaining the inaccuracies in the story start insisting that she is the most reliable witness in this case when it comes to putting the perp in jail.

Just as many of the same people who know that Mitchell is a freak are falling all over themselves to explain that it was perfectly reasonable for the parents to hire the guy to work on the house.

117 posted on 03/18/2003 1:51:19 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: alnick
Ironically, a young child generally makes an excellent witness (as does a retarded adult) in a case because his or her "capacity to deceive" is somewhat diminished.
118 posted on 03/18/2003 1:52:52 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Grig
Yesterday I posted this:
So far, my opinion is that she was forcibly removed from her home by coercion, he was kept in isolation camp for a couple of months, and after indoctrinated, she became a blind follower of this creep.
The details revealed today are more gruesome that I expected.

I had avoided to consider sexual assault in my mind; I felt sick reading this article

Elizabeth needs our prayers, and the Smart family will benefit for professional counseling.

119 posted on 03/18/2003 1:53:21 PM PST by george wythe
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To: Grig
Do I need your forgivness to get to Heaven..if not then forget about it. I still don't believe everything I read about this case in the lamestream news. I don't think I need to be sorry for using my common sense. I still think this case is part tall tale. But truth be told I am glad she is safe and oter than having the knowledge that a maniac is not out to get children through little tiny windows... I don't really care what is going on in the case.
120 posted on 03/18/2003 1:57:05 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((no more movies anymore))
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