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AMERICA-The Right Way (Day 668)[Remember the Trade Center, Pentagon and Flight 93]
ALL OF US | 19 November 2002 | All of US

Posted on 11/19/2002 2:11:01 AM PST by Neets

President Bush called wavering lawmakers Monday in hopes of thwarting a Democratic drive to force changes in the homeland security bill, but he lost the support of the senator who vied with him for the 2000 Republican presidential nomination.~~~~ John McShame

A federal court ruling ensures that the Justice Department can take full advantage of broad new surveillance powers to track suspected spies and terrorists, Attorney General John Ashcroft says.

Iraq continued firing at U.S. and British patrol planes Monday, and an Iraqi warplane penetrated an area in southern Iraq that is off-limits to the Iraqi air force.

MSNBC executives, under pressure from corporate owner General Electric to improve ratings, are likely to cancel "Donahue" by year's end, according to published reports

Actor James Coburn dies at 74.

We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail! [President Bush]


TOPICS: AMERICA - The Right Way!!
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To: Rivendell
HA!!!!

One of the professors here went to his cabin in Vermont this weekend..he said they dined on Moose....ewwwww
161 posted on 11/19/2002 9:02:47 AM PST by Neets
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To: Neets
One of the professors here went to his cabin in Vermont this weekend..he said they dined on Moose....ewwwww

Hey now, Moose is quite tastey! I found it to be as good as Venison, though maybe a bit tougher and having a little more fat, but overall

YYYYYUUUUUMMMM, YYYYUUUMMM

162 posted on 11/19/2002 9:11:15 AM PST by Rivendell
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To: Molly Pitcher
D - A - B- F# - G - D - G - A - Ostinato Bass of the Pachelbel Canon, with Simple Gifts on top of it.

I can hear it in my head, and it makes a lot of sense, Molly! I'd like to hear it (out loud, that is!)

163 posted on 11/19/2002 9:11:54 AM PST by ohioWfan
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To: Dog
This is where the rubber hits the road...he doesn't know what cards we are holding

In the gulf war we only had the satellite observations. They were not so good because they only took a picture every few hours. Schwartzkopf wanted to reactivate the black bird spy plane for the gulf war. His request was denied. They could have really helped us get the scuds. Our intelligence at the time believed Saddam only had 5 or 6 Scuds. By the time we knew that was wrong it was too late to re-activate the Black Bird.

We now have unmanned small aircraft that operate at 20 to 40 thousand feet and can stay aloft for long periods of time. With a few of these flying nothing moves on the ground that we do not see. To get the scuds out of hiding and into firing position is not possible with these unmanned spy planes under normal weather conditions. The question is do these planes have infrared cameras also. If not he could cover the sky with black smoke from oil fires and blind these planes. After our experience in Kuwait I would bet they can see through smoke. The areas to fire the scuds so they could hit israel and Kuwait are fairly limited and we know the Scuds are stored elsewhere.

If we know where is nerve gas and biological weapons are, they will be the first targets we hit. We may have to kill a bunch of civilians to get them, but I doubt that would stop us.

There are other factors that make this time different than in 1991. Back then no one really knew that Saddam was going to attack Kuwait before he did so. Saddam told the Saudis and Egyptians it was just a tactic to frighten the Kuwait government into giving him a cut from the oil sales. I doubt if we had much intelligence of what Saddam had or where he had it.

I would suspect that from January 2001 until today we have been hard at work pinpointing every thing Saddam has and where he has it. I would expect that where Schwartzkopf was limited in exact intelligence we have a ton of it.

I note there have been many stories of troop movements. I suspect they are not being announced. I noticed the other day that Fox was saying that when the troop build up began all the media would have coverage. I found that strange.

I think we are far better prepared for this war than the last one against Saddam. Most of our fears will not even be close to happening. I would bet that at least 80 percent of Saddam's capability to hurt us are destroyed in the first 2 hours of the campaign.

164 posted on 11/19/2002 9:14:05 AM PST by Common Tator
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To: *ATRW

165 posted on 11/19/2002 9:30:14 AM PST by Mr. Mulliner
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To: Rivendell
Yes, I can see where that could be effective. However, I would add this word of caution...ineffective, or clumsy smacking of the firing pin can cause the round to breech, or worse still, explode in the chamber, causing extensive damage and imminent physical harm!

Yes. One must indeed ensure that one is so completely over-the-top that there is little room to be left in the line of fire should it detonate.

166 posted on 11/19/2002 10:14:00 AM PST by lepton
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To: Mr. Mulliner
Apropos of nothing, did anyone see that video of Michael Jackson dangling a baby off a balcony in Berlin? The man is a certifiable nut case and should be locked up!

Took a nap and then mopped the floor. Daughter came home from school and is not feeling well. I hope flu is not what's wrong, although aching legs and tiredness seem suspiciously like gulfcoast6's symptoms. She is in bed now and I will check on her in a couple hours.

167 posted on 11/19/2002 10:14:53 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Molly Pitcher
sung in round form and with Pachelbel's famous Canon as accompaniment. Hope that makes sense.

I like cannon. Tchaikovsky!

Tuned anvils are kinda neat too.

168 posted on 11/19/2002 10:19:19 AM PST by lepton
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To: Miss Marple
Do you ever read the InstaPundit blog by Glenn Reynolds? A couple of days ago he had a link to a page with a series of pictures of Michael Jackson with acerbic comments about his "devolving" appearance. Some pics from his recent trial showed just how truly physically ugly and deformed he is becoming.
169 posted on 11/19/2002 10:23:02 AM PST by Mr. Mulliner
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To: lepton; Guenevere; Utah Girl; JRandomFreeper; Neets; *ATRW
:-) I like cannon also!

Okay, gang, pay attention! Not often you get a recipe from me!

Direct from my friend on the salad recipe:

It was just basically greens, then pomegranate seeds, dried cranberries, chopped figs, parmesan cheese (coarsely grated), and toasted pine nuts. I made an Italian vinaigrette and used some balsamic vinegar and some red wine vinegar, since too much balsamic makes it very strong.

I think it did still have a little too much vinegar, though, but I'm glad you enjoyed it!

170 posted on 11/19/2002 10:28:53 AM PST by Molly Pitcher
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To: Molly Pitcher
"How you gonna keep em down on the farm after they've seen Pairee"

The Decline and Fall of The Democrat Empire.

tator version 1.0

A hundred years ago 96 percent of our population was engaged in farming. It did not last. Farming went mechanized and used far fewer people. Farms grew larger and were farmed with more machinery and a lot fewer people. The Farmers left the farm, their children left the farm and went to the city to work in the factory. By 2000, about 2 percent of our people farmed.

WOW!.

What a transition. One day you are a farmer. You get up at dawn because you decide to get up at dawn. You plow the back 40 when you want to plow the back 40. You milk the cow using the bucket you want to use. You are in control of all aspects of your life. Then it is off the farm and into the factory. The boss says be there at 7:00Am. Show up at 7:05Am and you will get fired. The Boss says do it this way.. and you WILL DO IT THIS WAY or get the highway.

What a transition the former farmer went through. He went from total control of his working life to no control of his working life.

Into the breach steps unions and the democratic party. You could not tell the boss off, and your union could not either ... not until the McCarren act got you the right to organize and bargain work rules. As a factory worker you may have had good pay, but the boss called all the shots.. except those shots the Democrats and unions called for you. Put that picture of FDR right next to Jesus and vote that straight democratic ticket.

By the 1930's and the Depression those Republican Former Farmers and the new immigrants had become the champions of the benign Democrats and Unions. They were their protectors. It lasted until the 80's and 90's when our economy changed. The employee worker relationship changed.

Today fewer and fewer of us are being used as human robots doing a simple repetitive jobs on an assembly line. More and more of us have control of our lives. Fewer of us find it demeaning to be told to show up for work at 8:00Am. More of us see ourselves in control of our own destinies. Today fewer and fewer americans see themselves as victims of "BIG BUSINESS".

My grandfather born in 1872, farmed the land. He was a very independent man. He voted for McKinley too. His sons for the most part worked for others. They resented the control the "powerful" had over their lives. Two of my uncles were union officials, my Dad was a professional politician. They were democrats. They worked to keep the 'powerful' from controling them. In later life some even discovered the rules and regulations the Democrats enactes were more to control them than to protect them.

My generation stepped out of that mold. We got college educations. We entered professions. We owned small businesses and were our own bosses. I remember my Dad's shock when he found I was active in Republican politics. He said "Don't you realize the Republicans are for the rich?" I replied,"Yes Dad, I am rich. That is why I'm a Republican."

My generation's sons and daughters never new what Dad knew. They never had to fear the boss and his power. Some are in business and some in professions. But many are professionals who are recruited and courted to take jobs. They are bugged by headhunters trying to hire them... not bosses wanting to oppress them. They don't hate their jobs, they like their jobs.

What I am saying is we are at long last in a new realignment. I do not think the mommy party and daddy party are correct descriptions. They are the "I'll protect and control your life" party opposed by the "run your own life" party.

It just occurs to me that the rise and perhaps fall of the Democratic party has paralleled our occupations. There was a time when we were nearly all independent farmers and no William Jennings Bryan's need apply. Then came the day when many of us were just tiny replaceable human robots in vast array of assembly lines with a restricted future and no control. Now we are transitioning back to a nation of people who own stock and are valued employees with bosses concerned about our morale.

Perhaps that has a lot to do with our political outlook. In that perspective "The big corporation are coming to oppress you and you must join us to get protection." is a pitch whose day has passed with the 20th century. It seems to me the "let us take care of you and remove your worries" is doomed to failure with two generations of "I'll do it my Way" citizens going to the polls.

171 posted on 11/19/2002 10:29:02 AM PST by Common Tator
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To: Holding Our Breath
Saturday night Mr HOB called to say his car wouldn't start after he stopped at the store to p/u my prescriptions. Seems a new battery was in order.... that little gremlin sure gets around.

Got my spouse a couple of times last week too.

172 posted on 11/19/2002 10:30:24 AM PST by lepton
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To: ohioWfan; Dog
That's it, ohio! Very clever of the arranger to do this.

Dog, didn't see the context, but Fox News is still playing the Victoria's Secret runway video...LOL! Does it beat watching Sen. Bakin' and Shakin'??

173 posted on 11/19/2002 10:34:28 AM PST by Molly Pitcher
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To: lepton
Yes. One must indeed ensure that one is so completely over-the-top that there is little room to be left in the line of fire should it detonate.

I agree. It's always best to be at a safe distance for this:


174 posted on 11/19/2002 10:35:41 AM PST by Rivendell
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To: Common Tator
Fascinating, CT! Need several or more...moments to digest it all.
175 posted on 11/19/2002 10:36:18 AM PST by Molly Pitcher
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To: Common Tator
Interesting theory. Those still in the democrat party in my family are my sister who worked in retail, my union brother, and until recently...a teacher sister who left over Clinton's horrible behavior.

My son is a Republican. My husband and I are both Republicans. My daughter, the art major, while flirting with the Sierra Club and such, has, as she approaches graduation, come over to the Republican side. She is going to go into business for herself as an artist.

I think there is a lot of merit in your theory. It is not the only thing that sways people (race, abortion, and gay rights seem to also come into play) but for those who don't have strong feelings on those issues, I think work environment may have quite an effect.

176 posted on 11/19/2002 10:47:26 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple; Dog; Molly Pitcher; kayak; All
I think this is a remarkable picture. It was on the InstaPundit website just now with the following excerpt from a NY Times article.

More than 4,000 students came out to march today, the Iranian Student News Agency said, and student leaders said their demands went beyond Mr. Aghajari's release. They said they would press for the release of all political prisoners and for a guarantee of freedom of speech.

"We demand unconditional release of Mr. Aghajari but demand freedom of speech and opinion for everyone and forever," Abdullah Momeni, one of the speakers at the university today, said in a telephone interview afterward.

Mr. Momeni added that the students did not consider apostasy, the charge against Mr. Aghajari, a crime. He said the judiciary, which generally supports the hard-liners in the government, was acting like courts in the Middle Ages.

"Apostasy has no meaning in the world today, which favors freedom of speech and opinion," he said.


177 posted on 11/19/2002 10:50:19 AM PST by Mr. Mulliner
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To: ohioWfan; Molly Pitcher
"The First Noel" works with the "Canon", too; that is, if you can stand singing "The First Noel" in 4/4 time.............
178 posted on 11/19/2002 10:54:34 AM PST by MozartLover
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To: MozartLover; Molly Pitcher
LOL! That would take some adjusting.

The Fi-i-irst No o- e-e-el, the a - a- an -gels did sa-a-ay....... Funny to think about, but it would work! :o)

Well, off to buy some icing for Daughter # 2's soccer awards banquet tonight.

Hopefully, she'll come home with a Letter!

179 posted on 11/19/2002 11:02:44 AM PST by ohioWfan
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To: MozartLover
LOL! I am tapping on the desk in 4/4 time trying to do it. Can't seem to make it happen! Ha!

"Canon" was used as the processional for my son's wedding. I still get weepy when I hear it, as I can see him, his wife, my daughter, and my nieces coming down the aisle and standing by the altar.

180 posted on 11/19/2002 11:03:07 AM PST by Miss Marple
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