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Elizabeth Smart thread, August 24-31, 2002

Posted on 08/23/2002 9:35:01 PM PDT by IamHD

I don't know when Utahn children start school, but Elizabeth should/would be starting the 9th grade, soon. :(


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To: varina davis
Also, does anyone know the date of Elizabeth's birthday? Utah allows marriage at age 15.

Date of Birth: November 3, 1987

81 posted on 08/25/2002 10:39:47 PM PDT by Bella
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To: Sherlock
Hush. Can't we have one peaceful night?

I'd almost swear there's more than one of you.

82 posted on 08/25/2002 10:40:04 PM PDT by lakey
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To: lakey
Also, the first girl to disappear had been raped before by Weaver and she had reported it. No charges were ever brought against him. Then she disappeared. They still did nothing to him. Then the other girl disappeared. The dog that got the scent back then was a trained cadaver dog, LE had to know there was a dead body there.

Also Ward Weaver's father is in San Quenton prison convicted of multiple murders 2 years ago himself. And guess what he did with the bodies? He buried then under concrete in his backyard just like his son did.
83 posted on 08/25/2002 10:43:17 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Sherlock
cadavar - cadaver

You are correct on all points. Why would LE fail to follow through?

84 posted on 08/25/2002 10:53:21 PM PDT by lakey
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To: lakey
This is really about all I know of the case so I don't know. Of course the obvious might be that since they failed to arrest him for raping the girl he was able to kill her and they didn't want to be held liable, then another girl was killed because they didn't take this animal off the street. It appears the only reason they got involved now is because of the national media spotlight since Weaver got caught raping his son's girlfried. This was kind of basically the speculation of the forensic guy Wecht on the Giraldo show tonight.
85 posted on 08/25/2002 10:59:34 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Sherlock
Didn't see Geraldo. Watched Rita Cosby, & only part of that.

These lawsuits are throwing our justice system in the trash can. I hope, this time, that some "heads roll!"

Too, the Smarts should review their trust in LE. That PD has had its share of infighting in the past.

'nite

86 posted on 08/25/2002 11:05:44 PM PDT by lakey
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To: Sherlock
Before I forget, there was a comment that LE will now have to search all of Weaver's former residences.
87 posted on 08/25/2002 11:08:36 PM PDT by lakey
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To: lakey
Too, the Smarts should review their trust in LE. That PD has had its share of infighting in the past.

I've had a tendency for some time to think LE is hiding what they know from the Smarts for possibly self serving reasons. I think there have been signs people have helped Ed with PI type help. I've said before I think there's a good chance if the Smarts are going to find out the truth Ed is going to have to win his own ball game. See ya.

88 posted on 08/25/2002 11:15:34 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: L84AD8
Reading more on the subject, I discovered what they do in these private ceremonies and was shocked. I guess everyone else will have their turn to be shocked as well!

What did you read on this??

89 posted on 08/25/2002 11:54:56 PM PDT by Bella
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To: sandude
Why would her abductor allow her to go to the bathroom to get her medication if he was planning on killing her.

I've never read anywhere about the abductor allowing Eliz taking anything out of the bathroom...I remember reading that MK saw them entering the bathroom, but nothing was said about removing anything from there.

90 posted on 08/25/2002 11:57:59 PM PDT by Bella
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To: lakey
it seems entirely possible that SLD PD & FBI are either incompetent, or suffering from infighting...perhaps, no one wants to make a decision for fear of ridicule.

I've never said it wasn't possible. We don't have anything to indicate that there has been any infighting or incompetence. To the contrary, Jeanne Boylan was reassured after she got a look at how they were handling things and the Smart family has consistently supported LE's efforts. If there was infighting you would surely see leaks to the press. If there are problems with the investigation eventually we will find out. I'll stop defending them when something solid comes along to erode my faith in what they are doing.

Having said that, there is certainly a great deal of concern about the way the situation was handled in Oregon. It really looks to me like the second girl may have needlessly died. I'll be watching closely to see what comes of this.

91 posted on 08/26/2002 12:17:30 AM PDT by sandude
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To: Bella
I've never read anywhere about the abductor allowing Eliz taking anything out of the bathroom...

Pure speculation, but there are a few things that support this thought. I already mentioned the family's feeling that she is alive in my earlier post. So lets speculate as to why the perp took her into the bathroom. Did she need to relieve herself? Did she need a lighted room to put on her shoes? Did he want a place to give her instructions before they left the house? Did she need to grab some kind of medication?

Ed refuses to answer when asked directly if anything was stolen on the night of the abduction. If some medication she were taking was missing then you wouldn't identify that as stolen. If it were a serious kind of medicine that Liz needed for her general health then I think we would have known that by now but who knows in this case. So many mysteries. Anyway, it's just something to kick around.

92 posted on 08/26/2002 12:31:06 AM PDT by sandude
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To: Bella
I have no agenda, am just learning about SLC & Utah..do you mind?!

Ya right! I supose that Hunger a Lingering Problem for Utah Poor is somehow related to the case. That article falls under the Duh! category. Hunger is a Lingering Problem for (Pick your own state) Poor. Hunger is always a problem for the poor! This is news? This is relevant?

It is one thing to "learn" about the state, and quite another to feel compelled to share anything negative about the state with other FReepers. Why is it that you never share any positive articles about the state? Aren't you interested in learning and sharing postivie stories? No agenda, that's a laugh!

93 posted on 08/26/2002 3:04:54 AM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: spore-gasm
I guess I'm wondering about the lack of concern for MK and the rest of the family. Do they think the kids will not be called as witnesses in a trial?

There is no "lack of concern" for MK and the rest of the family. Based upon Jengaio's analysis of the recent Smart letter, they probably believe that ES is dead. The Smart's have always been more concerned about ES and the family's welfare, rather than a conviction and they have said so. What this family needs and they are trying to achieve is a return to normalcy.

94 posted on 08/26/2002 3:12:14 AM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: varina davis
It certainly makes one wonder anew about the alleged kidnapping as opposed to runaway.

Only those that are grasping at straws.

95 posted on 08/26/2002 3:13:38 AM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: Jolly Green
Only those that are grasping at straws.

Appears that you're the one grasping at straws from day one, even to the point of what locals were saying..

98 posted on 08/26/2002 5:34:51 AM PDT by Bella
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To: spore-gasm; All
Oregon girl's body found behind neighbor's home Second set of remains found
August 26, 2002 Posted: 3:33 AM EDT (0733 GMT)

Miranda Gaddis

OREGON CITY, Oregon (CNN) -- Law enforcement officials Sunday confirmed that a set of human remains found behind the home of Ward Weaver were that of 13-year-old Miranda Gaddis, one of two girls who disappeared early this year.

A second set of remains was recovered Sunday, Oregon City Police Chief Gordon Huiras announced. The remains were found in a barrel, underneath a concrete slab. Authorities said the medical examiner will not be able to determine whether the second set of remains were that of the second missing girl -- 13-year-old Ashley Pond -- until Monday.

100 posted on 08/26/2002 5:47:12 AM PDT by Bella
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