Prosecutor: Westerfield Guilty 'Beyond Possible Doubt'(Many Still Find Van Dam's Culpable)

Court TV ^ | August 7, 2002 | Harriet Ryan

[the Deejay]

It was on the right shoulder.

[theirjustdue]

"Do we know who the foreman is?"

I don't think it's been announced, or if it has, I haven't heard.

I would think, we'll find out after the verdict, though.

[UCANSEE2]

Cielo. Was she a tracking dog. Hopi had nothing to do with the case.

talking about ORANGE being an unusual color, rare, but here is picture showing everyone wearing ORANGE, DOGS WEARING ORANGE.

[Jaded]

Right, I belive. Figure that.

[Jaded]

Orange is still very popular with children, teens and young adults

[shezza]

Allegations about a tracking dog was involved. Hopi has nothing to do with this case, except insofar as...(showing pictures of all the orange) ...you heard from their testimony that orange was an uncommon color.

You see dogs in these pictures, and regardless of what these photos show is the traffic in DAW's home. On the 4th of Feb Cielo goes to the mh and nothing happens at High Valley. Photo A is a pic of MR. Sherman's residence. If you look at A, that's the compartment allegedly alerted on, the one that had the shovel that Mr. Westerfield dug the mh out with. BUt Danielle wasn't buried!

Then on the 6th the dogs went in the motorhome...they were in the house. They were in every house in the neighborhood! There were carpet fibers...but it's the same problem: two reasonable interpretations. Could it have come from the same place? Yes. Could it have NOT come from the same place? Yes.

[FresnoDA]

I assume Fres that at some point in your life (unlike certain other posters who will remain unnamed) you have occasionally seen a fully erect, turgid penile member.

Uhm....gee Doc...I didn't know you cared....HAAAA...LOL

Do I have to post a turgid picture??? (Please say no...)

[Mrs.Liberty]

I don't think it's been announced, or if it has, I haven't heard. I would think, we'll find out after the verdict, though They wil not pick a foreman until they are sent in to deliberate. That has been my jury experience in the SD County COurt Bldg. That being said...I think they (the 12 and alts) have a good idea WHO would be a good foreman, just based on their interactions waiting for trial to begin, being on breaks/lunch together.

[the Deejay]

I'm right handed, but always carried my kids on my left shoulder. That's the way I burped the babies, too. My sister in law is left handed & she always used her right shoulder. Does that help you?

[pyx]

Welcome back ! Your added insights were missed. I hope you had an enjoyable trip.

[Mrs.Liberty]

I assume Fres that at some point in your life (unlike certain other posters who will remain unnamed) you have occasionally seen a fully erect, turgid penile member.

My god, what has this thread come to? Is it always about sex with you ;-)

[FresnoDA]

tur·gid   Pronunciation Key  (tûrjd)
adj.

1. Excessively ornate or complex in style or language; grandiloquent: turgid prose.
2. Swollen or distended, as from a fluid; bloated: a turgid bladder; turgid veins.

[shezza]

The dogs...according to Frazee there was an alert. Understand, Frazee is asked to participate in the biggest case in San Diego...he's excited. Then he says if the dog alerts he's not supposed to tell the cops? I'm sorry, that's absurd. But that is his testimony. He finds "chilling information," he says. But he doesn't tell anybody. Lt. Tomsovic testified he saw no alert and Frazee said nothing about any alert. The shovel is a red herring.

The body hadn't been found yet, so Frazee was excited thinking he was going to crack the case. Wrote email to friends and called it "secret message." In message he says he wasn't sure, he can't say what reaction was. He didn't know what the dog was doing.

The dog was trained to give a clear and unequivocable alert. But even his handler was unsure. But by the time he gets to the witness stand, he's right on the money. The dog alerted. But that's NOT what happened.

[dread78645]

> "Do we know who the foreman is?"

I don't think it's been announced, or if it has, I haven't heard.

I would think, we'll find out after the verdict, though.

Of the three juries I've served on, we never elected a foreman until after we got the case.

[CAPPSMADNESS]

No Turgid member by that name?????

[shezza]

There's no way, unless the prosecution calls Tomsovic a liar, that the dog alerted. The wanted the spin on the shovel. If it's true that the shovel was used to bury Danielle 2 days before, why would DAW carry that shovel around for 2 days, then walk the body up a very steep hill that the cops even have trouble getting to, and then not use the shovel? It's grasping.

[Henrietta]

Shezza, you are a doll to do the transcription for us. We all really appreciate it!

[I. Ben Hurt]

I smell lawsuit.

[crystalk]

In any event Danielle was neither buried at all, nor prior to that time, nor by DW. So pop goes the shovel.

[shezza]

Another issue of grasping is the child porn charge. Photos have to show children having sex or depicting sexual conduct or simulating sexual conduct. They don't. They showed you a picture yesterday of a girl who was having intercourse. I looked at that photo and I thought, they are trying to shock you? Are they saying that she is under 18? You have to decide. That one's ambiguous. The same with the rape videos. If those females are over 18, there's no crime. Gross, inappropriate, disgusting, okay. But you're not allowed to consider bias or pity or passion or prejudice. Those pictures do not depict anyone under the age of 18.