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A 'Marriage Strike' Emerges As Men Decide Not To Risk Loss
The Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | July 5, 2002 | Glenn Sacks and Dianna Thompson

Posted on 07/06/2002 5:00:19 AM PDT by buccaneer81

A 'marriage strike' emerges as men decide not to risk loss

By Glenn Sacks and Dianna Thompson

Katherine is attractive, successful, witty, and educated. She also can't find a husband. Why? Because most of the men this thirtysomething software analyst dates do not want to get married. These men have Peter Pan syndrome: They refuse to commit, refuse to settle down, and refuse to "grow up."

However, given the family court policies and divorce trends of today, Peter Pan is no naive boy, but instead a wise man.

"Why should I get married and have kids when I could lose those kids and most of what I've worked for at a moment's notice?" asks Dan, a 31-year-old power plant technician who says he will never marry.

"I've seen it happen to many of my friends. I know guys who came home one day to an empty house or apartment - wife gone, kids gone. They never saw it coming. Some of them were never able to see their kids regularly again."

Census figures suggest that the marriage rate in the United States has dipped 40 percent during the last four decades to its lowest point since the rate was measured. There are many plausible explanations for this trend, but one of the least mentioned is that American men, in the face of a family court system hopelessly stacked against them, have subconsciously launched a "marriage strike."

It is not difficult to see why. Let's say that Dan defies Peter Pan, marries Katherine, and has two children. There is a 50 percent likelihood that this marriage will end in divorce within eight years, and if it does, the odds are 2-1 it will be Katherine, not Dan, who initiates the divorce. It may not matter that Dan was a decent husband. Studies show that few divorces are initiated over abuse or because the man has already abandoned the family. Nor is adultery cited as a factor by divorcing women appreciably more than by divorcing men.

While the courts may grant Dan and Katherine joint legal custody, the odds are overwhelming that it is Katherine, not Dan, who will win physical custody. Overnight, Dan, accustomed to seeing his kids every day and being an integral part of their lives, will become a "14 percent dad" - a father who is allowed to spend only one out of every seven days with his own children.

Once Katherine and Dan are divorced, odds are at least even that Katherine will interfere with Dan's visitation rights.

Three-quarters of divorced men surveyed say their ex-wives have interfered with their visitation, and 40 percent of mothers studied admitted that they had done so, and that they had generally acted out of spite or in order to punish their exes.

Katherine will keep the house and most of the couple's assets. Dan will need to set up a new residence and pay at least a third of his take-home pay to Katherine in child support.

As bad as all of this is, it would still make Dan one of the lucky ones. After all, he could be one of those fathers who cannot see his children at all because his ex has made a false accusation of domestic violence, child abuse, or child molestation. Or a father who can only see his own children under supervised visitation or in nightmarish visitation centers where dads are treated like criminals.

He could be one of those fathers whose ex has moved their children hundreds or thousands of miles away, in violation of court orders, which courts often do not enforce. He could be one of those fathers who tears up his life and career again and again in order to follow his children, only to have his ex-wife continually move them.

He could be one of the fathers who has lost his job, seen his income drop, or suffered a disabling injury, only to have child support arrearages and interest pile up to create a mountain of debt which he could never hope to pay off. Or a father who is forced to pay 70 percent or 80 percent of his income in child support because the court has imputed an unrealistic income to him. Or a dad who suffers from one of the child support enforcement system's endless and difficult to correct errors, or who is jailed because he cannot keep up with his payments. Or a dad who reaches old age impoverished because he lost everything he had in a divorce when he was middle-aged and did not have the time and the opportunity to earn it back.

"It's a shame," Dan says. "I always wanted to be a father and have a family. But unless the laws change and give fathers the same right to be a part of their children's lives as mothers have, it just isn't worth the risk."

Dianna Thompson is the founder and executive director of the American Coalition for Fathers and Children. She can be contacted by e-mail at DThompson2232@aol.com. Glenn Sacks writes about gender issues from the male perspective. He invites readers' comments at Glenn@GlennSacks.com.


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To: 3catsanadog
I honestly think those are isolated nutbars who were either unstable or self absorbed from the beginning.

No woman I know would ever kill her child, after it's born.

I can't even think of someone I ever met to level a charge at like that.

561 posted on 07/06/2002 9:23:32 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Nowhere Man
No flames to you - I agree 100%. I wish I could turn back the hands of time - I wish I only "knew" one and only one man in the Biblical sense in my entire life.
562 posted on 07/06/2002 9:28:12 PM PDT by 3catsanadog
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To: glm
Being one of those divorced women who got the kids, I think I agree with you guys. I don't blame a lot of young men these days. The women seem ditzy if you ask me. I have met some of them through my two sons and whoa -- I don't like what I see. Also they are pretty liberal as well, against guns, and believe we have to help the children. They all seem to have careers and believe they can take care of themselves.

I get that same impression too that a lot of women out there are ditzy liberals too and I wouldn't waste my time dating them. I know there are level-minded women out there but it seems like they are few and far between or there is so much noise out there that they get covered up where I don't see them.
563 posted on 07/06/2002 9:35:22 PM PDT by Nowhere Man
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To: carmody
Has anyone considered that maybe, just maybe, these young men witnessed bad marriages and bad divorces themselves? Maybe, just maybe, they grew up in homes with fathers who threw their mothers away for younger models or mothers who threw the whole family away for personal freedom.

These past two generations of adults were raised on divorce. I'd like to know the divorce statistics for men and women who are afraid to get married. If you've never had a stable, happy family to model your own marriage after, how are you supposed to succeed? The art of marriage and family has been lost on two generations of Americans.


I am one of them, my parents divorced when I was 10 in 1976 and before I would marry, I would have to make sure everything is right, at least to the best of my ability. I want to be a good husband and father someday so I really hope my wife will be a good wife and mother, otherwise I'd be really hestitant. I know my mother did get burned from it but on the other hand, the way things go today, I would be afraid of getting burned. I know I am among the first wave of the 1970's "latch key" kids.
564 posted on 07/06/2002 9:41:14 PM PDT by Nowhere Man
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To: glm
men invented washing machines and vacuum cleaners and all the other wonderful efficient home appliances. Women had free time and went to work. That is the reason not that women have the right to vote.

A side note, I like to read a lot of Robert A. Heinlein science fiction and I think there is some merit in his idea in "Starship Troopers" where before anyone could vote, they have to serve a term in the military. Well, maybe that's a little too much for me, but I do believe that before ANYBODY can vote, they should pass a literacy test, reading comprehension, and perhaps U.S. history. A basic math test would be nice too. Maybe some might not like the idea, but voting is an important thing that can alter the destiny of a nation's course so people should understand the ramifications of such. Don't know if this would keep all the Jerry Springer type people out but I think it would be a good start. Of course the test will be equal to all.
565 posted on 07/06/2002 9:49:05 PM PDT by Nowhere Man
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To: tortoise
The existence of the concept of marriage or the fact that it has been a popular tradition in our culture doesn't make it a good choice ipso facto.

I am so sorry that you see things this way.

The institution of marriage is getting a bad rap by people who want to change the fundamental underpinnings of our society. They are succeeding in so many ways: abortion, gun grabbing, forbidding prayer, flying planes into buildings, etc.

It is so sad to see this happening.

566 posted on 07/06/2002 9:58:17 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: Jedi Master Yoda
This thread is probably the greatest incentive that I've seen to get a vascectomy.

I understand what you say, but not having children is also a bad option - you lose out on a lot. It is a shame that our society is punishing the most basic needs of humans - and it is not sex, it is the need for lasting relationships.

567 posted on 07/06/2002 10:21:18 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: meyer; Nick Danger; ex-Texan
>>But a divorce lawyer? That is really over the line.

>Almost pushes you to use the abuse button. Almost... :^)

Forums are so difficult for divorce lawyers because they cannot engage in punitive billing online.  :^)

568 posted on 07/06/2002 11:04:54 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: buccaneer81
Wendy is opting to not marry as well. Theres a certain truth to "not wanting to be a slave." We women carry a full load job wise, and the lion's share around the house and raising the kids. Since women don't need your income anymore, why should they indenture themselves to you?
570 posted on 07/07/2002 12:29:13 AM PDT by brat
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To: Jeff Gordon
The institution of marriage is getting a bad rap by people who want to change the fundamental underpinnings of our society.

Your analysis is superficial. What has happened is that the world has very literally changed. Marriage existed a century ago to fulfill literally dozens of functions, many of which are obsolete now. That isn't to say that marriage is bad, it is just that it would be unreasonable to expect it to function identically today to how it functioned a century ago because some of the old contexts simply don't exist any more.

The problem isn't with marriage per se, it is with how marriage has changed to suit the changing context of its existence. I see two big flaws in the way these arguments often play out. First, there are those that want marriage to be exactly the way it was a century ago. Second, there are those that think the way it is now is just fine. Both positions are flawed on many levels. The fact is, the institution of marriage and all the social structure that surrounds it does need to change from what it was a century ago to accommodate the substantially different context of its existence. The problem is that the changes that have taken place have been very much in the wrong direction and have done nothing to accommodate the clean and useful evolution of marriage.

As I see it, there are three dogs in this race: what we used to have, what we do have, and what we should have. People need to rigorously analyze and criticize the various outcomes or the problem will not go away. There needs to be a third way, and it would be far more constructive if we spent time actually figuring out what marriage should be in a modern context.

571 posted on 07/07/2002 12:29:47 AM PDT by tortoise
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To: Dark Mirage
Women have grown up in the last 40 years. Men have regressed to permanent adolescence, and made themselves of very little use to any woman with a shred of sense or independence.

I agree with this generalization, except for the part where you assert that women have grown up. In many ways I think even women are less mature today as well. Men have as little use for women today as women do for men, and for largely the same reasons. In truth, men and women really don't need each other any more, except for procreation perhaps, and even those days are numbered. The irony is that the people who are getting married in this context are precisely the people who shouldn't; the best candidates for marriage under the usual criteria are those that it serves the least.

I don't break it down by gender; I find most of humanity to be pathetic and irresponsible. Nonetheless, that is their choice, and I suspect this has always been the case throughout history. Nature punished irresponsibility more severely in the past, though.

572 posted on 07/07/2002 12:40:01 AM PDT by tortoise
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To: Balto_Boy
I think because that's what she was asking for having babies out of marriage. Was she trying to trap dad? It's about the woman's responsibility for the actions she takes. If she's any kind of responsible woman she will do just fine.

Lot's of poor baby boys grow up without fathers, or mother's for that matter, and do just fine. In a perfect world, courtship, marriage, babies, mom and dad bring them up. But it is a far from perfect world.You really can't force, or sue anybody into being a good parent.

573 posted on 07/07/2002 12:57:32 AM PDT by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: buccaneer81
You know, it is sad to say, but that is in large part the truth? My father-in-law goes through this with his ex- a horrible bitter washed up woman who is determined to make him pay for the rest of his life. His kids are grown but he agreed to pay her support and alimony until they were 25. She took him to court last year because she needs 'more' and won another $40,000.

It is not enough that she has spoiled their minds against him. His son still has not called once in 15 years and he has only recently been reacquainted with his daughter who is 20 years old and in college (which he also pays for)

My own experience is somewhat different...when I left my ex my reasons were very valid (he was continually, physically abusive) and I still never asked for a dime. Nor did I play games with visitation and so on. Today, because of it I think, we share custody of the kids and each do, financially, what we can for them. While I can't stand him, we can be civil because somehow in all that nonsense we had managed to put the kids first.

574 posted on 07/07/2002 4:23:33 AM PDT by Taxula
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To: Pining_4_TX
They can get all the sex they want without marriage. Women are getting hurt in this brave new world, too. I know of men who go from woman to woman, happy to have her services for a while, but when she wants a serious commitment, he is out the door.

You are so right. Looks like the 'revolution' has done more harm to women, in general, than good. If women are going to jump in the sack at the drop of a hat then expect a man to respect and revere her ...well, there is an old saying that is still very true
"Why buy the cow when the milk is free?"

575 posted on 07/07/2002 4:32:03 AM PDT by Taxula
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To: Taxula
The circumstances of the break up tend to dictate how bitter and vindictive things can get. In my particular case, my wife had an affair. She's now shacked up with the guy and it's evident that he pulls the strings on alot of the crap she's been pulling. I don't know if he's insecure (hey, she cheated once, she can do it again) or what. Having to look at my son everyday probably doesn't help (he looks just like dear old dad). But it's not like I'd ever take her back. Outside forces always play a role in the aftermath of divorce.
576 posted on 07/07/2002 4:39:46 AM PDT by buccaneer81
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To: Nick Danger
I would add that with women in the workforce as much as they are, men have also become primary caregivers, or at least share the burden of child-rearing to some capacity. The stay at home hubby is more widespread now than ever.
However, the automatic assumption that it is women is still reflected in our courts and in our divorce laws. The reasoning behind it, which I believe was well founded-- The younger the child, the more important that the primary caregiver maintain physical custody should joint custody be impossible, simply because the bond is stronger there and the child more comfortable and trusting. Women could, in earlier years, claim a monopoly on this traditional role, but no longer.

These reasons, to a large extent, have been demolished by our culture first, and economic necessity second. Many women now hold full time jobs and work as many if not more hours than men. This leaves either the male to bond with the kids or some daycare worker.
Whatever the situation, the divorce laws have hardly kept up with the changing times. They still reflect the assumption that women are the primary caregiver and therefore the child is best off in her care.

577 posted on 07/07/2002 5:04:25 AM PDT by Taxula
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To: Dark Mirage
"Women have grown up in the last 40 years. Men have regressed to permanent adolescence, and made themselves of very little use to any woman with a shred of sense or independence. "

This one sentence tells me all that I need to know. All that I have said about the current generation of women is given validity by this one sentence. You probably would be much better off remaining single.

578 posted on 07/07/2002 5:08:55 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: 2sheep
Forums are so difficult for divorce lawyers because they cannot engage in punitive billing online. :^)

Yet!! Where there's a will, there's a way. Call me a skeptic, but I fully expect to see a bill in my e-mail some day from some obscure lawyer in some obscure forum.

579 posted on 07/07/2002 5:10:52 AM PDT by meyer
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To: Dark Mirage
I think what you meant to say was:

Men have grown up in the last 40 years. Women have regressed to permanent adolescence, and made themselves of very little use to any Man with a shred of sense or independence.

Or is that "bashing"?

580 posted on 07/07/2002 5:14:28 AM PDT by meyer
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