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So what do ya all think? Did Ayn have the formula to rid us of the looters who pose as guardians of our Retirement (Hah) money? I leave it you the Good People of Free Republic to ponder, discuss and flame me and each other at length!
1 posted on 05/10/2002 7:03:17 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg
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To: MeeknMing
PING
2 posted on 05/10/2002 7:04:34 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg
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To: Mad Dawgg
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3 posted on 05/10/2002 7:11:21 PM PDT by jart
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To: Mad Dawgg
BUMP.

Why dont we all not pay taxes? All at once? Just like that Cant arrest all of us.

4 posted on 05/10/2002 7:12:15 PM PDT by spunky lady
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To: Mad Dawgg
I think of my Social Security taxes as money flushed down the toilet. Even today, if you are counting on that Social Security check to make ends meet during retirement, you are screwed. That's why there are so many senior citizens out there bagging groceries and working as security guards. They'll tell you that they take these jobs to "get out of the house." But the truth is, they need that extra money just to get by. Nobody can live on their Social Security checks. The entire program is a fraud.
7 posted on 05/10/2002 7:30:25 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Mad Dawgg
Ohmigosh what are the odds?? I picked up Atlas Shrugged for the first time on Wednesday (at the public library) and started reading it this morning (for reals!). I have never read it before!
9 posted on 05/10/2002 7:41:47 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion
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To: Mad Dawgg
From The Dropout


The Dropout
Who is John Galt?

    About 35 years ago armed with an MBA degree from a well regarded university, I hit the working world ready to work hard and make my mark. In a few years, hard work was paying off with promotions and raises. But there was an unwanted partner in this endeavor who was sharing in the fruits of my labor -- the government. Both the Federal and State government had their hands in my pocket, BIG TIME. They had hatched all sorts of schemes to empty my pocket -- income tax, Social Security tax, Medicare tax, unemployment tax, and disability tax. Rather than resign myself to this taking or rage against it to no effect, I hatched my counter scheme to end this extortion.

    Thanks to a thrifty nature and educated in the mysteries of finance, within 10 years, I had accumulated enough assets to leave the working ranks and become a bona fide Capitalist. No bosses, no clients, no customers. Just plain assets that generated sufficient income to live debt free with the ordinary comforts. All my income had now been reclassified into that category the IRS terms 'UNEARNED' as if it were a guilty theft. HA! In your face, taxman. All the payroll taxes were now gone and my penchant to save remained unabated. There was still one monkey to be thrown off my back -- the income tax. Within ten more years that was gone too by selling assets which generated taxable income and purchasing tax exempt bonds. Be gone taxman forevermore.

Who is John Galt? A friend of mine.

13 posted on 05/10/2002 7:48:25 PM PDT by Too_Bad
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To: Mad Dawgg
Social Security left as it is will be empty about the time me and the gazillion other
Baby Boomers step in the withdrawal line. It is doomed to failure, mathmatically.......
19 posted on 05/11/2002 4:23:14 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: Mad Dawgg
My best summary of Ayn Rand is that she was right about what's wrong and wrong about what's right.

Her criticisms of many aspects of liberalism were very accurate. Her villians do not understand that we cannot consume what we do not produce, and ignoring this fact is a basic part of liberalism. The evasions that her villians go through to avoid facing the truth of what they are doing reminded me exactly of what Clinton defenders did to defend him and his policies.

Unfortunately, her beliefs about what makes the world work are completely wrong. Maybe others interpreted the book differently, but my impression was that fewer than 400 people inhabited "Galt's Gulch" and yet the loss of these 400 people plunged the United States into an economic crash. The notion that the loss of even our best 400 people would throw the country into a panic is silly. Most people are fairly hard workers and know their jobs. Losing a few people, particularly at the top, would not destroy most companies. Within the last ten or twenty years (if I remember correctly) a plane crashed killing the top five executives of Conoco, the big oil company. Many people expected the company to go into some kind of swoon without the top guys. The company mourned but never really missed a beat. What those executives know that Ms. Rand didn't is that a good executive clearly communicates plans and actions to those under him and is developing good people as replacements.

Another area where Ms. Rand is wrong about what's right is her fanatical hatred of God. She has the right not to believe in God and to speak her mind about the issue, but the extent to which she expressed this hatred would have been funny if it hadn't been so sad. Belief in God is not what makes people turn to the "looter" mentality. The Bible even teaches that if any man doesn't work, neither should he eat.

Another point on which I strongly disagree with Ms. Rand is the notion that a faithful wife who takes care of a home hasn't played a big part in her husband's success. One of the things that I found most disturbing in the book was that the engineer who had been John Gault's boss was working to create an economic crash but hadn't taken steps to save his widow from that crash. The implication is that Ms. Rand doesn't see the wife as a part of his success and instead sees her as another kind of "looter."

Atlas Shrugged is a good book. I've read it a couple of times. It has some good lessons even though they are overdrawn in some cases. It is also wrong on some points. I became a little tired of the idea that all heroes had blond hair and blue eyes. As a metallurgist, I have to suspend my disbelief at all of the things that she thinks a copper-iron alloy could do. I hope you enjoy the rest of the book.

WFTR
Bill

21 posted on 05/11/2002 9:21:06 AM PDT by WFTR
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To: TLBSHOW
Ping for your take on the issue!
23 posted on 05/11/2002 2:31:21 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg
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To: JohnHuang2
Ping for your Opinion.
24 posted on 05/11/2002 2:33:46 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg
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To: John Galt
Of course I definitely need your Opinion on this one.
25 posted on 05/11/2002 2:38:20 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg
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To: Mad Dawgg
Ayn was writing in the Industrial Age where confrontation with the Looters was the only means. As we enter the Information Age, the simple truth is that the returns on finding anonymous ways around the 'system' are far better than taking on the looters head on.

What many do not realize is that we have already 'won;' the looters were exposed on 9/11 as incompetents. The barbarians have entered the city; the Generals plot wars on the fringes of the empire and the Senators debate the price of corn in 2006.

It's over. Our efforts should not be focused on dealing with the past but on how we preserve our culture, our language and our Christian ethic in a world with out borders.

27 posted on 05/12/2002 6:47:19 AM PDT by JohnGalt
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