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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
we loved Schoolhouse Rock when we were little

My younger sister still remembers the Preamble to the Constitution because of having learned it from Schoolhouse Rock when she was a junior in high school. And my daughter learned it from SR, and was one of only a few in her 7th Gr. class a couple of years ago who knew it!

29,621 posted on 10/02/2002 5:20:15 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Overtaxed
If 2JM doesn't make any posts for some time I'll have to assume she had a heart attack watching the trailer!

ROFLOL!!

That's why I told you when I was planning on taking that little break! Unfortunately, there's too much going on now to take any break, at least until about 6 months after the movie comes out.

If it'll make you feel better, I'll let my husband know to come in and inform you all if I succumb for any reason.

29,622 posted on 10/02/2002 5:23:01 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
OK! Do you think he'd do it? :)
29,623 posted on 10/02/2002 5:25:04 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: RMDupree
Thanks for the pints and warm conversation.

I'm just now catching up on the posts, but wanted to say Welcome! These are some fine and FUN folks to be around!

29,624 posted on 10/02/2002 5:26:51 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Overtaxed
Oh yeah. He'd probably gripe, but he'd do it.
29,625 posted on 10/02/2002 5:29:34 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Hi friends. What have I missed? I'm all ready for my class presentation tomorrow on the wonders of object-oriented design, and I'm here with my computer and the "Big Book o'Amber" - time to reread! I know there's some Amber fans here, right?
29,626 posted on 10/02/2002 5:34:19 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Overtaxed
Actually, the chamomile tea seems to have some effect. I feel quite relaxed now. I was pretty nervous about the AOL download and everything, then the trailer was so good...it was just all very nerve-wracking.

I'll load up on Chamomile tea prior to anything in the future and not do anything bizarre like download an entire program and depend upon it.

I intend to take a vat of this tea to my line party prior to the premiere.
29,627 posted on 10/02/2002 5:34:54 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Hehehe...that's good to know. I'd hate to have to send Bear up there to check on you.
29,628 posted on 10/02/2002 5:35:37 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Right now it looks like New Orleans has a lot more to worry about than we do!

I have a niece and nephew (and their kids) living in New Orleans. My sister was going to call my niece tonight to try to get her and her brother to come over to MS. I'm worried the place will start flooding then they wouldn't be able to get out of town!

29,629 posted on 10/02/2002 5:36:06 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: ksen
You guys realize we've logged over 400 posts today?

Everyone wants to get to the quadruple Precious tonight!!

29,630 posted on 10/02/2002 5:40:51 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: JenB
Good evening! Amber fan, reporting for duty...

I bought the Amber "prequel" book by John Gregory Betancourt ("Dawn of Amber") but I haven't read it yet.
29,631 posted on 10/02/2002 5:41:37 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: 2Jedismom
It's supposed to be above 90 tomorrow....too hot for hot tea!
29,632 posted on 10/02/2002 5:42:05 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
I had my first cup over ice with my steak last night. It was really quite good! Then just now I had a cup while sitting out side watching the boys ride their bikes...hot. It's pretty nice outside. I practiced my whistle.
29,633 posted on 10/02/2002 5:43:19 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: SuziQ
I'm worried the place will start flooding then they wouldn't be able to get out of town!

They're saying that if folks haven't gotten out of town yet, it's too late now.

29,634 posted on 10/02/2002 5:44:22 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: SuziQ
I heard on the news they evacuated a county in East Texas today, getting ready for Lili... I think this one is going to be really bad.
29,635 posted on 10/02/2002 5:46:02 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
It wasn't bad... call it "Amber Lite" and you've got a pretty good description. Young Oberon's fairly cool, though. Lot of it is very derivative, naturally.
29,636 posted on 10/02/2002 5:47:58 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
10 mph away from being a 5 and it doesn't land until tomorrow morning.
29,637 posted on 10/02/2002 5:48:01 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
We're all friends here, aren't we?

True, but I didn't think friends here would be worried by a little trailer obsession.

29,638 posted on 10/02/2002 5:48:29 PM PDT by ecurbh
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To: ecurbh
My name is 2JM...and I'm a LOTR Traileraholic.
29,639 posted on 10/02/2002 5:49:46 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
That chamomile did a good job. I really slept soundly last night, after 2 cups of it.

That's why they call it "Sleepytime"!

29,640 posted on 10/02/2002 5:51:57 PM PDT by SuziQ
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