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Posted on 07/25/2026 5:11:58 AM PDT by Libloather
Her DNA search results went helter-skelter.
Filmmaker Sophia Maddox broke down in tears when she and her father, Daniel Arguelles, learned from an online ancestry search that his dad was one of America’s most notorious criminals — Charles Manson.
“I was obviously very devastated,” Maddox, 26, exclusively told The Post. She recalled feeling “dumbstruck” and “sobbing.”
“My dad was just rubbing my back and holding me, and telling me we were nothing like him. But it was a little traumatic,” she added.
Co-directed by Maddox and Alexandra Orton, the Hulu documentary, “My Grandfather Charles Manson,” follows Maddox as she looks into Manson’s past, struggles with her fraught relationship with her father, and interviews former Manson family members such as Lynette “Squeaky” Fromme and Manson trial prosecutor Stephen Kay.
Arguelles was born in 1959, when his mother, Darlene, was 17. She met Manson at a bus stop when he was going by the name “Charlie Dear” and the pair had a one-night stand.
Manson — who was convicted of seven counts of first-degree murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder, including the horrific 1969 slaying of the pregnant Sharon Tate — died in prison at 83 in 2017.
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So... filmmaker Sophia Maddox has no issue with Grandma whoring, but realized she could capitalize on who Grandma whored with.
One of the Beach Boys let the Manson family live at his house. One of my high school classmates was doing this and he tried to recruit some of the rest of us to join him. He’d run away to Hollywood about every other week.
I knew a couple of people who at some point were part of it. Manson attracted kids with bad home lives, although not all of his followers came from bad homes. For some it was more like a floating teenage hippie commune until it turned to murder.
Here is what I learned from a quick read of other articles and going into Ancestry.com.
Sophia’s father Daniel Arguelles didn’t know the identity of his real father so he submitted DNA to Ancestry in 2015. There were no matches until 2022 when Valentine Michael Brunner, known son of Charles Manson and Claire Brunner, submitted his DNA to Ancestry.com.
In 2022 Daniel Arguelles was advised by Ancestry.com of a close match to Valentine Michael Brunner.
Daniel Arguelles’ known mother is “Darlene” who had a fling in 1959 with man who called himself “Charlie Dear”. Based on DNA match this Charlie Dear was likely Charles Manson.
Daniel Arguelles told Sophia of the results. Daniel did not change his surname upon finding out the identity of his true father.
However after learning about her ancestry a “dumbstruck” Sophia Arguelles changed her surname to Maddox, the surname of Charles Manson’s mother Kathy Maddox. Then she developed this documentary.
At the beginning of her documentary, Sophia admitted that she’s a “struggling actress, babysitter, wannabe filmmaker. I work a bunch of jobs, and I have 50 bucks in the bank.”
Sophia’s resume is a bit thin so I suppose she is cashing in and getting publicity.
They are fun to track down.
My favorite ancestors are always the ones with the most scandalous stories. They’re the most fun. One of my favorites is 9th great grandfather. He was engaged to 9th ggmother and the bans were read twice. Then her parents sold her to someone for more money. He did finally get her back (my ancestors thank him), but he never forgave her mother. When he became Newport RI attorney general, he sued her mother for fornication and she was convicted and sentenced to be stripped to the waist and tied to the Great Gun for 15 min at noon. Revenge is a dish best served cold. THAT’S a fun ancestor!
I figure the FBI will find me regardless of my DNA. I was interviewed in the principal’s office in a Catholic girls’ high school by the FBI because one of my girlfriends had attended a Communist Party meeting to get information for a school homework paper. I mentioned it to mother. She mentioned it to a little old lady friend in a letter, WHO WAS A SOURCE FOR THE FBI AND TOLD THEM! Mother dropped the friendship.
Wow! Fun ancestors indeed!
Some people have all the luck.
There are no famous people in my ancestry.
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Infamous is more fun.
One sold liquor to (feather) Indians.
Another rode his horse into a tavern.
My paternal grandfather was asked to leave Ireland by the people in charge there when he as accused of “hitting a woman with a fish”. We suspect that there were a great many prior incidents and that that one was the fish that broke the camels back.
"Chaos" which turned out to be a lot more accurate than Bugliosi's "Helter Skelter."
Right? If Charles Manson was my Grandfather, no one would ever know.
Wow-Ive known since I was 3 years old that my biological father and his family were bad people-con artists, did crimes for hire, etc-but they weren’t stone-cold killers-at least not that I know of. If they had been famous killers, I’d probably want to cash in, too-might as well get something out of their ‘fame”...
While my mom’s family were mostly just small ranchers, not into crime or intentional meaness-like most Hispanics, they were certainly into venganza if they were f’d over by someone. Beat downs, rumors to damage business and personal relationships of enemies, things done in the dark of night, etc. It wasn’t pretty, but well deserved most of the time...
The scandalous ones might be fun to hear about-but when they are recent relatives you know personally, that is not fun.
My biological father’s family-also ranchers-was mostly Hispanic, with German thrown in-they were into every kind of meaness and criminal activity short of outright murder-either toward someone they just didn’t like, wanted out of business or a relationship, or were paid by someone else to do something to. Most of them were particularly gifted con artists, and used that at every opportunity-”dirty deeds, done dirt cheap, yeaaah”. Anything to get ahead in business, etc.
My late and un-lamented biological father was the kind of person who has done every dirty thing 3 times-karma caught up with him-he died at 71, the result of morbid obesity-and probably also the result of an entire life of total hedonistic behavior...
His mother was a well-educated and dangerous female con artist-married 4 times-the last marriage was not even legal-to an already-married man with a wife and 3 kids in another state. She had been divorced twice and widowed once by the time she moved in with him. She should have gone to work for the CIA. She was born in 1885-lived to be 102 years old, still as dangerous as ever in her last days...
Delightful folks for sure-the last time I spoke to any of that bunch was at his funeral, and they were not kind words...
My Texas relatives were also small property owners - Scotch/Irish/English ancestry. All sweet, salt of the earth types who never did well financially because of poor deals. Great grandfather’s family owned the center of Sherman and traded it for a herd of burros that escaped that night. They did pass down some great genes, though, if not financially astute ones. Grandfather worked for the Edison company and got called to NJ by Edison to teach him about train signals. For a week, he slept on a cot in the lab and Edison would wake him up at all hours of the night to explain yet something else. By the end of the week, he was exhausted and Edison knew everything about signals.
There were a lot of divorces on father’s side of the family but not for meanness. Alcohol and women were more the thing. With father, it was the alcohol, not women. Mother had zero tolerance.
But meanness. Absolutely smart to keep your distance. Protecting nearest and dearest is what it’s all about.
Id rather not know than voluntarily submit my DNA to the
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I thought I read somewhere that CCP bought Ancestry DNAa few years ago???
Maybe she can repair the family name. News anchor Roger Midd claimed to carry that burden. It was his great grandfather(?) that was the doctor that took care of James Wilkes Booth. That’s where the saying “your name is mud” came from-so I’m told.
I find those commercials to be insulting. I can only speak about my parents, but I will state that the world would be a better place if more were like them.
For good or bad, people in our grandparents’ era did a better job of getting off their ass to get what they wanted-it seems as if it is a lost art.
When I heard the stories my grandparents told about traveling all the way across the country-or even to another country-to learn a new skill-or take a really good job, etc without giving it a second thought, it is humbling. Today-or even when our parents were young-all the what ifs have to be studied and planned for before even seriously considering a drastic step like that...
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