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Posted on 06/18/2026 4:12:17 AM PDT by fruser1
I'm pretty much a hawk on Iran and certainly don't trust them to hold their part of any deal. Putting that aside for a moment...
Note, numbered paragraphs below are not meant to correspond to MOU numbering.
1 - Why do we even need a deal? If, for whatever reason, the US doesn't want to fight anymore, we can stop and leave without ceremony. Let them wonder if we'll hit them again. They know what prompted our attack. The US doesn't owe them a written apology. Iran misbehaved, we b*tch slapped them, so now -Bye! What's wrong with that? Worried about the strait being open? How about letting other countries deal with that? I think of Trump on NATO when he said if they don't pay in we won't defend them. Why not take that approach if we're tired of running this operation? If folks want the strait open, go open it! Oh, yes, I forgot - they let us use airports. Gee thanks. You saved us some mileage. We took Iran down a big notch. If there's no will on the US part to finish it, let everyone else mop up. No occupation or nation building required.
2-Why does the US need to be involved in any way with Iran getting $300 billion? Iran's concern would be that we would just sanction any charity gifts or loans sent their way. So? They have plenty of back channels they've been using to get around sanctions for decades. If they want to beg, let them beg through those channels.
3-The deal will be given 60 days to be finalized, but the US must begin removing forces in 30. Say what? If they said 30 days after a final deal, that may make some sense. This is patenty absurd. Would Trump do a real estate deal this way? Sure, we'll finalize the mortgage qualification stuff in 60 days, but the seller has to move out and hand us the keys within 30. Yeah, right. I know I said first that I would put aside trust issues, however, this provision extends the Iranians a level of trust beyond ordinary business transactions.
4-As stated on Whitehouse.gov on 1 March, the first reason to do this operation was to deal with the nuclear program. The nuclear program should be settled now not later. What the MOU does settle is that Iran can maintain the status quo of its nuclear program - that means spinning up to 60%. So this MOU off the bat is a failure in the nuclear regard.
5-It completely fails to mention ballistic missiles, another big reason for attacking given in the 1 March statement. Coupled with Iran spinning away, this at best a can kicking provision. Note, the short range stuff that Iran has been using for decades are not ballistic missiles.
6-As an Iranian terror proxy, Lebanon is definitely a front on this war, but this deal is between the US and Iran and it's Israel and Lebanon dealing with Hezbollah now. There are no US forces involved in that. If you want to include Lebanon territory in this, then you need to include the primary parties in that part of the transaction - Israel and Lebanon. This deal is written as if Hezbollah is the sovereign government of Lebanon. It is not. Again, would Trump run a real estate deal this way? This is like a bank and insurance company agreeing that two people will exchange property even though those individuals have no idea they are about to be moving. This also risks the entire deal failing on the whims of a Hezbollah commander launching rockets at Israel. You think Israel is not going to respond? And since Iran is now basically coming out and saying "Hezbollah is Iran", the Israelis would be fully justified in including attacks on Iran as part of any response to Hezbollah.
Flat out retarded.
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Midterms.
agree completely.
my only hope is this is fake news.
As already stated - midterms.
I don’t believe Iran can live up to any agreement while the IRGC is in place.
I am waiting for the threat of claiming Shia Islam as a terrorist organization. That will play well in Middle East (and around the world). I am certain the UK report of ‘grooming’ gangs will have zero impact on shaping anyone’s relationship with Islamic tourists in our countries.
Not dealing with the Iranian threat for political expedience has been the norm for almost 50 years.
I’m not in that camp.
And we could wrap this up well before the midterms. We’ve blown over a month in “ceasefire”.
We don’t have to occupy or nation build. Just obliterate.
I don’t believe “Iran” and IRGC are distinct.
We are basically dealing w/the same crew.
Iran has repeatedly shown what liars they are. Making a deal with them is wasted time till the next lie is made apparent. Fool me once fool me twice but we’re up to a number beyond count.
Iran needs to go.
Iran won’t keep the deal. They can’t help but screw up.
Well, there’s the problem right there. The “Iran hawks” have completely undermined the U.S. and jeopardized our financial stability with these boneheaded, costly, and unnecessary military commitments that this country can’t afford and can’t execute effectively.
No, it’s Iranian appeasers like you that keep the problem thriving.
Why do you support Iran?
ALL islamic cults = communism+worshipping satan (aka allah, lucifer, devil, etc...)
He is likely to be the strongest contender in 2028 because of this. Apparently most Freepers would be shocked to learn how many Americans don’t give a sh!t about Iran, don’t give a sh!t about Israel, and find it repulsive for the U.S. government to be pissing away their financial future with this kind of nonsense.
Good points.
I don’t support Iran. I’ve never been there, and wouldn’t lose a minute of sleep if I never heard about that country again for the rest of my life.
First, Vance is a populist isolationist.
As for the deal, it’s only bad if you think we should remain engaged in completely defeating Iran.
We can’t just walk away because we need the Strait open. We need to disengage for various military, economic and political reasons.
Back to Vance, it’s my general impression he’s an idiot on foreign policy. I like some of it, but I think he truly wants to fight with our allies including Israel. I don’t believe he will project strength to our enemies as Trump does. Trump largely handed this over to Vance.
If finances are the primary concern now then all we have to do is walk away.
No deal required, but Vance is out there now defending this toilet paper document.
I hope this deal as written is flushed and Vance can defend that.
It’s pants pissing. Transferring the Uranium is the payment of a generational debt. Period. It’s the only thing that matters. Hormuz is a problem that solves itself. Iran charges tolls, then Iran goes bankrupt. Period. The military threat is gone. Regime change in Iran is a regional issue with several highly motivated players in the region interested in seeing to that.
38 days. Nobody in 2021 who called themselves expert would have said that Iran could have been completely defeated in less than 40 days.
So few adults these days.
Bull. This is not the first I’ve seen your posts on this subject.
You spend quite a bit of time chastising those wanting to fight Iran and supporting this operation.
How about spending some time with the positive side of the argument and justify why Iran is not a problem to be dealt with?
And handed Covid over to Pence... seems familiar...
No, as I said, we can just walk away and if the strait can be dealt with by others.
The military reason is based on what? That’d be Iran right? So if the deal is so great, then Iran is no longer a problem right? This would pretty much eliminate the military need.
Economic need or economic impact? Yes a lot goes through there but it’s not the only place in the world with shipping. Pipelines are already being built to send oil out the other side. Even Iran’s total economy is only 30% dependent on the gulf. They’ve got plenty of land routes to the east and the Caspian.
The political reasons are the same as been given for 50 years. I think you can see I disagree with that.
So though I know many have reasons for wanting a deal, I put that aside and simply say the deal is sh*t as written, even if I wanted it, which I don’t.
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