Posted on 12/23/2025 5:57:42 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica
John Stossel interviews James Lindsay, famous for fighting wokeness on the left. Lindsay is vigorously investigating wokeness on the right, mostly but not limited to those following the ideas of Nick Fuentes.
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A new section of the right is foolishly bashing liberty … and even embracing Marxist ideas.
That's why some call them the "woke right."
bttt!
The call for tribalism I can understand. Blacks have it. Hispanics have it. Whites are told to die.
When Might is Right is used against you then you seek to use Might is Right to protect you.
Simple as that.
I flatly reject the notion of a "woke right" because those who express the views of Nick Fuentes are playing the exact same game as the WOKE LEFT is with the Democrats.
Fuentes and his ilk are using non-negotiable definitions of what "conservatism" means in their narrow world view and then rejecting any Conservative who doesn't agree with them labeling them traitors (or worse.)
No. HELL. NO.
We should NOT fall into that trap like the Democrats did.
If we do, we're no better than the Democrats and Americans won't have a real choice between the two parties any more. Both will be on one extreme fringe or another and that's not where the overwhelming majority of Americans are.
My own .02
Finally, since moving to Tennessee 45 days ago, I've lost count of the Democrats I've come across that were relieved that President Trump won and Harris lost. They're also pretty pissed off at what Biden did to the country too. This is exactly where many Democrats are politically (at least here in TN where I am). They don't like President Trump as a person and the things he says, they're in political alignment with his policies, especially on immigration and the economy.
While I haven’t come across any praising of Marx, I have come across people saying maybe Monarchism wasn’t such a bad idea, others saying the Constitution is ridiculous, and still others saying they no longer believe in the blessings of liberty. The call of tribalism is massive in 2025.
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Other pseudo-conservatives no longer believe in free markets. They want to force us back into cottage industries. All our problems are due to big pharma, big food, big insurance, big banks, big this, and big that.
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You have obviously not listened to Fuentes at all.
He does not claim to be a conservative.
He claims to be “America First”.
He wants his people to seize control of the Republican Party.
He could not care less whether anyone considers him to be a conservative or not. The left has taken over almost every institution so there is not a whole lot left to conserve.
I won’t be able to effectively boil down Hoppe’s 300 page book into a FR post but a couple things come to mind...
What is “liberty”? Do you think that the further we have gone away from Monarchism we have gained more of it or lost more of it?
Is it the right of possessions?
Did 18th century England have more or less right to their possessions than we do?
Do you think the king required a higher tax rate than our benevolent “elected leaders”?
Were more or less hours of a English subject’s daily hours spent in the support of his king compared to our hours spent in support of our government?
Try not hiring someone because you don’t like the color of their skin. See what your benevolent Democracy thinks about that liberty.
Is a king more likely to have fidelity and responsibility to his subjects who were also the subjects of his father and his father’s father and his father’s father going back 20 generations or is a politician more likely to have fidelity and responsibility to the citizens that voted for him one day 2 years ago?
The politicians will leave office in a handful of years and the future success or failure of the government they leave behind will have absolutely no impact on them or their children assuming they did what all politician do....amass great hordes of wealth from the public treasury.
Kings leave the future kingdom to their progeny and have an in-built motivation for keeping it prosperous, healthy, stable, etc...
In a democracy, when a politician says, “We are going to bring in millions of brown foreigners to replace you.” The citizens look at each other, shrug their shoulders and say, “I guess we voted for this.”
In a monarchy, if the king said, “I am going to bring in millions of brown foreigners to replace you.” his head would be removed from his shoulders. Either his subjects would give allegiance to another rival king or they would support another lord or elite to overthrow him.
Most folks oppose monarchy because it tends to degrade into a hopelessly corrupt self dealing (usually debauched) court around the monarch.
Benevolent monarchs probably existed—but they did not last long.
Sociopaths rose to the top in due time.
I reject Fuentes entirely.
The way Conservatism (and the GOP) win, is in the battleground of ideas. The Democrats are BANKRUPT of ideas. President Trump's ideas and policies are working. We win the battle on ideas, policies and proof those ideas work.
Not unlike President Reagan did in the 1980's.
Did you actually listen or just atomically believe the headline?
Does the headline have an agenda and you bit hook like and sinker.
The press is always telling us what Trump says too, but they never get the whole story.
Same with the Bible, don’t let anyone tell you what it says, read it your self.
I don’t know about Marxism, but there seems to be a subset of conservatives who are Putin stans, if posts on Ukraine here are an indicator.
If President Trump’s policies work then everything is good.
Fuentes will disappear into the ashes of history.
But—if they do not then watch out....
As opposed to democracy???
Have you not been following the news lately?
Thanks -- yes, thanks -- for the lovely gift for this merry season. That should be wrapped up with a bow, and put under every tree to be again enjoyed. Thanks and thanks again!
If Nick Fuentes didn’t exist, the Left would have to create him.
That is the problem—bad choices.
Lose lose—everywhere you look.
I'd suggest it is neither. Much of it seems in large part a word game, for those seeking power and authority over others.
Given all possible modes of thought -- like vision, as distinct from language, smell, the haptic sense, and so on -- words are one of, but not all of, thought.
Words fumble, and misunderstandings so easily rage. The large wielders of words are clever and precisely imprecise, while seeming precise. Ergo, a game. So does it seem.
There is also an anti-capitalist element that rails against wealth and demands larger government handouts, and supports a lot more large, government-planned projects.
Fuentes was banned from travel, is still banned from YouTube, was banned from Twitter for many years, his followers are doxxed and banned all over the place....every single mainstream publication of the left (and btw the right as well) has viciously attacked him.
If that is support from the left what does hate look like?
Lol.
Well, monarchy is the oldest and most universal form of government, and one day we'll all live under a King of Israel ruling from Jerusalem (though that doesn't necessarily mean other nations or governments will be abolished). Also, European republicanism is extremely atheistic and anti-clerical, just as European conservatism is very different from the American form.
Also, the American ideology is flawed because it is a product of "enlightenment" thought rather than of piety and submission to G-d.
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