No Nvidia Chips Needed! Amazon’s New AI Data Center For Anthropic Is Truly Massive - you tube 16 minutes

CNBC ^ | November 2025 | CNBC

[dennisw]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnGC4YS36gU

Oct 29, 2025 #cnbc

On 1,200 acres in Indiana, Amazon’s biggest AI data center is now operational, with half a million AWS Trainium2 chips entirely devoted to powering OpenAI rival Anthropic. Just over a year ago, the whole site was nothing but dirt and cornfields.

Seven buildings are operating now, and once complete, the site will have around 30 buildings and consume some 2.2 gigawatts of power. CNBC went to the small town of New Carlisle, Indiana, to talk to locals who are worried about the impact on their community and electric bills - and to get a first ever on-camera tour inside what Amazon’s calling the largest cluster of non-Nvidia chips in the world. We also sat down with AWS CEO Matt Garman and Anthropic CPO Mike Krieger for more details on the partnership.

Chapters: 0:00 Introduction

2:37 Rapid buildout

6:41 Exclusively AWS chips

9:41 Aligned with Anthropic

12:24 Power and water

[dennisw]

[Kudsman]

Whoa. Mini nuke plants are going to necessarily become commonplace. Talk about jobs for the future! Better start intensive instruction on things of mechanical and fluid engineering.

[Governor Dinwiddie]

So, Amazon burns 2.2 Gigawatts of electricity for frivolous fluff. This is why I'm forced to have ersatz hygroscopic
ethanol fuel in my automobile, damaging engine gaskets and seals. They got to start offsetting 2.2 Gigawatts of
pollution somewhere. This is why my electricity bill keeps climbing, to subsidize Bezos and Gates and the Boyz toys.

[cgbg]

If they had just tried to build this thing in coastal California they could have spent the next ten years completing their environmental impact statement.

Lol.

[ClearCase_guy]

I agree with that.

I’ve seen a lot of people celebrate AI and automation for the future because these things will produce so many jobs (we will all be employed to code AI and we will all be employed as robot repairmen). I don’t buy that. I don’t see millions of job opening for robot repairmen in the future.

But energy infrastructure? I do see a lot of job coming for that sector. Sure I suppose robots and AI will do some of the work, but welders, pipefitters, etc will be needed and I think humans will have a wide variety of jobs creating power plants everywhere. That’s the future.

[TimSkalaBim]

These massive data centers will be obsolete if the space-based data centers can be scaled up. Wonder how long that will take?

[marktwain]

Wonder how long that will take?

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I think Elon Musk is saying 5 years, so probably about 10 years.

[Recompennation]

Why? AI is stupid and will not do anything that a trip to a good library wouldn’t do in 1973. In fact wrong conclusions are drawn by AI due to the inability to actually reason and think.

[Dan Zachary]

I understand that Amazon is huge, but why do they need 1200 acres of warehouses full of computers? Just think of how many files cabinets of paper that would be. How many employees doing whatever these computers are doing would that be as well?

[dennisw]

So, Amazon burns 2.2 Gigawatts of electricity for frivolous fluff. This is why I'm forced to have ersatz hygroscopic ethanol fuel in my automobile, damaging engine gaskets and seals. They got to start offsetting 2.2 Gigawatts of pollution somewhere. This is why my electricity bill keeps climbing, to subsidize Bezos and Gates and the Boyz toys.

I get your point Guvnor. This Amazon AI center is in Indiana farmland. Where they grow the corn subsidies that go into your gas tank. Amazon built here due to the high capacity powerlines, built in long ago rural electrification programs, paid for by the Feds.

[dennisw]

“These massive data centers will be obsolete if the space-based data centers can be scaled up. Wonder how long that will take?”

AI uses lots of power. These satellites will be towing an acre of solar panels? Solar sails, like I used to see in Popular Science magazine?

Mini nukes that will make mess when they fall to earth? Elon’s low obit Starlink comms satellites burn up slowly, so last only 10-15 years.

[odawg]

“This is why my electricity bill keeps climbing, to subsidize Bezos and Gates and the Boyz toys.”

I am having trouble understanding why the data centers don’t have to pay for their electricity use. If I were to add on machinery that used more electricity than I normally would use, I would have to pay for it. That is the way this world works, or use to.

In Richland parish, one of those huge data center is being built but two electrical generator plants are also being built next to it.

[Dr. Sivana]

These massive data centers will be obsolete if the space-based data centers can be scaled up.

The space-based data centers can do some heavy lifting, but will NEVER replace most of the terrestrial based ones for latency reasons and serviceability. (Full disclosure: I often working servicing systems in a data center)

[BereanBrain]

It might surprise you but it does not take acres of solar cells in space because (1) Sunlight is stronger in Space (not atmosphere) and (2) They use much more efficient cells.

[rlmorel]

(Note: This is a repost from a thread I started a month or so ago)

The whole AI angle to our economy is worth taking seriously. If we don't take it seriously, others will, and catching up will be harder to do. But apart from that, even if we didn't pursue scaleable, mass-produced small modular nuclear reactors for AI considerations, it is a huge win from an "Energy Dominance" standpoint which is key to a revitalized American Industry if the Trump Tariffs serve the purpose designed and reshore many of our lost or anemic industries that have been outsourced to Communist China. We see now that allowing that status quo to remain unchallenged is national suicide.

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Before I discuss the new reactor industry that is in its infancy, I want to take a quick diversion to the importance of this industry vis-a-vis Communist China.

I understand there are a lot of people who do consider Communist China to be the world leader in this vital, burgeoning industry, and perhaps they are. But it is paramount that we keep in mind Communist China has its own issues to deal with that are in many ways more serious than ours. I take every pronouncement out of Communist China with a large grain of salt, and besides...Communist China does have engineering issues and safety issues in many of its large construction showpieces. Just in 2025 alone, Communist China had three major bridge collapses on the scale of the Francis Scott Key Bridge, and those are the only three we know about as they could not conceal them from outside eyes, being the showcase items they are.

Communist China is not our "friend", and they are not our "trading partner" as corrupt, childish, and foolish politicians like those found in the Democrat (and Republican) parties often characterize them.

Communist China is a predatory, Communist regime that views the United States as an enemy to be defeated, and have been engaged in state-sponsored economic terrorism that encompasses everything in a coordinated way from intellectual property theft, state subsidization, monetary policies designed to destroy the ability of Western economies to stand on their own, to fostering the hollowing out of industrial capabilities to render our country incapable of manufacturing military equipment, not to mention consumer products, and intentionally creating dependencies on various industrial processes such as semiconductor production and shipbuilding while at the same time encouraging environmental warfare to hobble the ability to locate and exploit natural resources, all done in order to provide political leverage via embargoes of things like Rare Earth Minerals in order to achieve their political goals, which are hostile to Western values.

That preceding paragraph is a mouthful, but it is something we must keep in mind as we view advances in this key upcoming industry. We do not want them to be the world leader in this industry for reasons ranging from overt safety issues to political issues.

In pondering the trajectory of our industry, economy, and military, it is good to keep this in mind: Underestimating the status or capability of an enemy is foolish and suicidal, but overestimating the status or capability of an enemy can be just as corrosive and destructive.

Communist China is not composed of Supermen and an elite industry. We would underestimate them at our own peril.

But if we overestimate them, and we allow ourselves to be demoralized into inaction by their significantly more powerful industrial capabilities in various areas at this point in time (buttressed by their vigorous and constant state-issued propaganda) while ignoring the severe engineering, social, and economic issues they are facing, we are putting the knife to our own throats.

Which is why this key industry of mass-produced Small Modular Reactors (SMR) is so important and exciting.

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I have long been a proponent of the deep exploitation of nuclear power, and watched this video today from Bill Whittle titled: LINK: It’s Atom-Splitting Time!

that tipped me off to what is afoot on this front, and it is the first IV Generation Nuclear Power plant scheduled to be built and operated in the United States by 2026...next year! So I find this very exciting.

Note that this reactor project below isn't vaporware.

I don't advocate this for "green" purposes (though nuclear power is indeed something that should be considered "green") and we have been neglecting this for decades. Personally, I have had no direct participation in the industry, though I did work in Nuclear Medicine for years, so I understand the nature, handling, and safety of radioactivity better than most people in the general public, as well as the truths and largely spread lies about it.

The Trump Administration publicly stated its goals in an Executive Order signed in May 2025 to: Reform the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC): In May 2025, the administration signed executive orders to significantly speed up nuclear reactor licensing, including establishing an 18-month deadline for the construction and operation of new reactors. It also aims to modernize regulatory standards and reconsider license terms to enable longer operation for existing plants.

(NOTE: The other components of this Trump EO address expansion of nuclear capacity, prioritizing federal loans and guarantees to restart closed plants and complete unfinished construction projects, facilitating power uprates for existing reactors, supporting the deployment of advanced nuclear technologies, including small modular reactors (SMRs), domestic fuel production and waste management, national security and AI infrastructure, workforce development, and last (but not least) the promotion of exports to compete for commercial projects worldwide.)

Basically, it is fast tracking nuclear power.

The bureaucracy was so slow from the NRC, EPA, DOE, etc. that the byzantine nature of it, in conjunction with the environmentalists and legal system roadblocks, that it made exploitation of nuclear power, all but impossible, with permits taking decades and environmental and other legal challenges designed solely to kill nuclear power.

Here are some specifics about the Natura Resources project (full disclosure, I asked AI to summarize it for me to make it easier, and from what I see it is relatively accurate, so if anyone sees errors or inconsistencies, feel free to offer corrections or clarifications. Here is a link to the Natura Resources website article about this project: LINK: Natura Resources Advancing Nation’s First Gen IV Nuclear Reactor

They discuss aspects of the operational pilot, the MSR-1 (I assume it stands for "Molten Salt Reactor") and is very small, only 1 MW capacity, but it is a pilot. (NOTE: This is in contrast with Communist China which AI apparently considers the "world leader" and which is focusing on gas-cooled units already in production. But as far as I know, safety of these is unknown, and they are not designed as the Natura Resources project is, to be safer, scaleable, and modularly produced which is what we should be aiming for.)

Here is the AI Summary, which I have edited mostly for readability:

Summary
Natura Resources is an advanced nuclear developer leading the deployment of the first Generation IV (Gen IV) reactor in the United States. The project centers on a liquid-fueled molten salt reactor (MSR) designed for enhanced safety, efficiency, and waste reduction.

Key facts about the project

• The MSR-1 reactor. The company's initial project is the 1-megawatt (MW) MSR-1, a research and test reactor built on the campus of Abilene Christian University (ACU) in Texas.
• Timeline. Natura Resources is on schedule to begin operating the MSR-1 by 2026, a deployment timeline validated by the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE).
• Regulatory approval. In September 2024, the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) granted a construction permit for the MSR-1. This was the first permit issued by the NRC for a liquid-fueled advanced reactor.
• Commercial application. The MSR-1 is intended to pave the way for the larger, commercial-scale Natura MSR-100, a 100-MW system with a modular design.
• Project funding. The project has been backed by significant investment, including $120 million in private funding and a $120 million commitment from the state of Texas.

Advantages of Natura's Generation IV reactor

• Compared to conventional nuclear technology, Natura's MSR design offers several benefits:
• Superior safety: The reactor operates at high temperatures but low pressure, which reduces mechanical stress and greatly minimizes the risk of catastrophic failure.
• Lower waste: It produces significantly less radioactive waste than traditional nuclear reactors and has the capability to use recycled waste fuel.
• Multiple applications: Beyond electricity generation, the technology can be used for desalinating water, which is critical in arid regions like the Permian Basin of Texas.
• The liquid fuel also allows for the harvesting of rare medical isotopes used in cancer treatments.
• Flexible power generation: The reactor is capable of dynamic load-following and long-duration energy storage. This allows it to more effectively complement intermittent renewable sources like wind and solar.
• It is a scaleable, modular design, made to be mass produced and shipped by truck or rail to installation sites.

[dennisw]

“It might surprise you but it does not take acres of solar cells in space because (1) Sunlight is stronger in Space (not atmosphere) and (2) They use much more efficient cells.”

Working against this is that at low temperatures, solar panels of today are less efficient at converting sunlight to electricity. And space temps are near near 0 Kelvin.

[NewHampshireDuo]

AI uses lots of power. These satellites will be towing an acre of solar panels? Solar sails, like I used to see in Popular Science magazine?

Think of all the global warming sunlight those panels will capture....!!

[Jamestown1630]

“The horse is here to stay but the automobile is a passing fad.”

“Man will never fly because flying is reserved for the angels.”

“There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in their home.”

[SomeCallMeTim]

I’ll have to go find your other thread.

Regarding China: I did business there for nearly 25 years. I’ve been all over the country. I’ve had relationships with many that range from co-workers, direct report, bosses, customers, suppliers, and just friends. Many of the people are truly terrific people, very similar to Americans in many ways. They are smart, hard-working, very optimistic, loyal, family oriented, and some are even religious.

They are also mostly proud of their country and their heritage. But they also greatly fear their own government. I think they see that everything you said about China’s global goals is absolutely true. They know it’s true. They accept the bad behavior, for now, because they see it as beneficial for their rise. Most however, do not think China will start a war. They don’t believe the government would go that far. On this point, I think they are naive. They’re so caught up in the growth and prosperity, they don’t want to believe it. But I do.

I have also seen that, even though they largely distrust and fear their government, they accept as truth most of what they are told. Especially about foreign relations. They fall in line when told what to do. Doing so is ingrained in their cultural identity.

As a country, China is truly a dangerous global competitor who is fighting us in an unrestrained way, mindless of morals or societal norms. While we are still trying to make business in their huge market and get cheap products and materials for our own. Our utter failure to even see the threat will be our downfall. The worst part is; I think many US politicians recognized the threat 30 years ago, but were more interested in their own personal gains and what China could do for them. We’ve been sold out by our own leadership….pre-Trump