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1 posted on 12/04/2025 1:53:20 PM PST by grundle
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You’re being farmed.


2 posted on 12/04/2025 1:54:43 PM PST by dljordan (Yeah, I'm a Boomer and it's all my fault you whiny little bitch.)
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To: grundle

Welcome to “means testing”…..a fancy, politically correct phrase for “Socialism Light”.


3 posted on 12/04/2025 1:56:52 PM PST by volare737 ( Diversity is something to be overcome, not celebrated. )
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That’s the idea- an artificially imposed financial glass ceiling.

Progressive income tax rates have a comparable effect.

Government should not be in the charity business.


5 posted on 12/04/2025 1:58:07 PM PST by fruser1
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Plus you don’t any of the payouts like stimulus checks nor the tariff refund, etc.
Despite being the ones paying for those who do get them.


7 posted on 12/04/2025 2:03:32 PM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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“Let’s look at the transition for a family in New Jersey”. Yeah, I’ve been there several times, West Orange, don’t wish to go back.


8 posted on 12/04/2025 2:07:54 PM PST by kawhill (And the sea will bring each man new hope as sleep brings dreams of home. C.C.)
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What about someone who has healthcare coverage through his employer and has no children? Does he lose “benefits” that offset any gains by virtue of earning more money? (Of course inflation eats up most of any gains.)


10 posted on 12/04/2025 2:10:19 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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Now run it for the democrats ideal family: ie DIVORCED !

The State has total control.

One parent has temporary primary custody (as long as the State is happy with them)

The other parent is paying the equivalent of State and Federal taxes to the other parent.

Payments are mandated and must continue, even if income levels decrease.


11 posted on 12/04/2025 2:12:17 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad
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income tax is taxing your work! Does that make sense?


12 posted on 12/04/2025 2:13:22 PM PST by Karoo (..)
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The OT O used to work was taxed at 42 percent. Criminal!


13 posted on 12/04/2025 2:13:42 PM PST by MGunny ( )
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Then there is the whole student financial aid scam...


14 posted on 12/04/2025 2:14:39 PM PST by Paul R. (Old Viking saying: "Never be more than 3 steps away from your weapon ... or a Uriah Heep song!" ;-))
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When you run the net-income numbers, a family earning $100,000 is effectively supporting a family earning %40,000. Cease to be a welfare recipient and you immediately become a welfare provider. Socialism is grand when you're eating with Other Peoples' Money. Until you run out of Other Peoples' Money.
15 posted on 12/04/2025 2:15:14 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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Very few; very, very few, working-class people are “allowed” to become truly independently wealthy.
The whole system is rigged against the working class from becoming truly wealthy; from subsidies to taxes. It’s all one a big beautiful diabolical scam.
The working-class is basically a slave to the poor and to the rich...all administered by the government and by design. Sure, they’ll let Joe Six Pack have maybe a fishing boat, TV and a pickup truck, but real money? No way.
Read: “The Creature from Jekyll Island” and that’s just for starters.
“Keep your nose clean, get an education, put your shoulder to the wheel, work hard and you will make it.”, they said. Biggest damn lie ever told short of the one Satan himself told Eve in the garden.


16 posted on 12/04/2025 2:15:39 PM PST by lgjhn23 ("On the 8th day, Satan created the progressive liberal to destroy all the good that God created...")
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What could be done is take welfare benefits from:
1. your Social Security account,
2. ten times as much from any legal settlement or award
less amounts paid for medical costs, repairs and prepaid attorney fees,
3. any legal award/settlement amount above $20,000 times the life expectancy in years of the person injured.


17 posted on 12/04/2025 2:16:50 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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I had a decent 6 figure income with my corporate job and the 75 year old company got wrecked by Covid. In early 21, I left for my 2nd home in Florida and did part time work, some other local stuff. The company was bought out and folded into another one in 2024. I saw the writing on the wall before that though. Now it’s completely gone.

I started my own business as a Home Inspector here in Fl and now going into my 4th year, I’m pretty much only eligible for ACA health care plans at 58.

There is a benefit cliff you hit at about 43k in income. If I declare my actual expected income, the plans I get are about $1100/month and a 10k deductible before anything is paid. Yeah, about 22k/year.

If I only make 42k a year? I get offered a plan for about $200/month with a $700 annual deductible. The plan is 1443B Florida Blue silver. Cheap drugs, $5 primary care etc.

Add 1k more income? Back to pure garbage bronze plan. It’s insane.

So, I guess I can have healthcare or I can have income. Unless I really push hard and get well back into 6 figures, I’m in the negative, exactly as this article states.

Turns out though...I can use a self 401k plan and just bank all the extra income to reduce my MAGI, so that’s what I’ll have to do.

I can then take a loan out against the 401k and spend that money. I just have to pay it off, or wait until I’m old enough and just default on my loan to myself.

The system is garbage, for sure. I’m just glad I was able to retire with enough money that I don’t HAVE to work, I just want to travel and such, so working pays for toys.


18 posted on 12/04/2025 2:18:09 PM PST by Malsua
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Been saying it for years. When you subtract all the extra costs from having both parents working, it pretty much wipes out most of that second income.


19 posted on 12/04/2025 2:18:30 PM PST by dfwgator ("I am Charlie Kirk!")
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What will it take for Americans and especially patriots to know that the federal gov't is NOT their friend?

What will it take to DISMANTLE THE 80%+, $3+ TRILLION UNCONSTITUTIONAL PORTION OF THE FEDERAL GOV'T which is poised to destroy America AND HER PEOPLE???

21 posted on 12/04/2025 2:19:38 PM PST by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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As for childcare, mom A might work 3 days one week and 4 days the following week, mom B might work 3 days one week and 3 days the following week.

The two moms would switch childminding.

If the moms work 10 hours a day, they’d average 35 hours a week.


22 posted on 12/04/2025 2:21:28 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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I’d rather be milked.


23 posted on 12/04/2025 2:22:51 PM PST by SomeCallMeTim
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Utter, worse case scenario crap.

There is no allowance for employer health insurance. As you go up in income that chance increases substantially.

There is no allowance for family help in ASSUMED eternal childcare.

The entire premise is a welfare mom with 2+ kids and no family help.


27 posted on 12/04/2025 2:26:08 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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If you save in your 401k,which is the only "pension" I get,big surprise is that when you take some out to pay for home repairs or property taxes,you pay taxes on it and it sends you into a higher tax bracket for income taxes,Medicare premiums,etc..we lost out on stimulus money because we looked too rich on paper.

don't get me started on property taxes.

30 posted on 12/04/2025 2:27:01 PM PST by cherry
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