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Where have all the flowers gone?

Posted on 11/23/2025 8:52:15 AM PST by timza

We are adrift in a sea of confusion and rancor caused by mistrust and ignorance.


TOPICS: Education; Society
KEYWORDS: gaytorpee; language; vanity

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To: reasonisfaith
So the problems of society are not truly in the misuse of language. They are in the misuse of people.

Well, OK, we misuse people through language. And this thread happens to be specifically about the misuse of language.

41 posted on 11/23/2025 10:52:57 AM PST by aspasia
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To: aspasia

Complex is your thinking.

What is it that’s forced to become obsolete or obliterated? Are your referring to words or to people?


42 posted on 11/23/2025 10:56:07 AM PST by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: aspasia

The thread is specifically about the cause of our being “adrift in a sea of confusion and rancor.”

My claim is that the rancor is the real problem, and that it has been planned and orchestrated by specific people in power. And that they misuse language as a primary tool.


43 posted on 11/23/2025 10:59:23 AM PST by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: reasonisfaith
Well Webster's for example, would like to control which words are approved. The pride themselves as gatekeepers.

It's as if words are evidence. And as in court, people hide the evidence if it helps. But if the evidence is there, it can't be scrubbed away like with a cloth or something. All those word that you can't excise must be twisted instead.

So people try to make words go away because and sometimes even shut people up with a bullet. So words or people can be the target of obliteration.

44 posted on 11/23/2025 11:05:36 AM PST by aspasia
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To: All

I must add that the people causing the major problems in society—for example the assassination of U.S. Presidents, wars and other crimes against humanity—are ultimately both weak and stupid.

This is seen in the fact that they must always hide their actions and their identities.


45 posted on 11/23/2025 11:10:37 AM PST by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: reasonisfaith; timza

I did ask if timaz could handle it or if he was up to fixing it. Timza is somewhat quiet.


46 posted on 11/23/2025 11:16:33 AM PST by aspasia
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To: aspasia

“I did ask if timaz could handle it or if he was up to fixing it. Timza is somewhat quiet.”

Silence at times bespeaks surrender. So if not tamiz, then who?


47 posted on 11/23/2025 11:26:50 AM PST by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: aspasia

In a thread about speaking language, we should never allow aphasia to prevail.


48 posted on 11/23/2025 11:28:38 AM PST by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: reasonisfaith; BipolarBob

Exactly!
Bob was close,
A Bra and panties at the minimum
Would have been appreciated.
.
Stillettos Optional.


49 posted on 11/23/2025 11:36:29 AM PST by Big Red Badger (ALL Things Will be Revealed !)
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To: reasonisfaith
À la fin, c’est toujours l’accueil qui gagne.

Bernard Shaw had a similar sentiment in debating Chesterton.

50 posted on 11/23/2025 11:39:22 AM PST by aspasia
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To: All

The flowers got loaded into a big yellow taxi.

Talking Heads
Nothing but”Flowers”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2twY8YQYDBE


51 posted on 11/23/2025 11:40:22 AM PST by Right Brigade (A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you,)
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To: reasonisfaith
Silence at times bespeaks surrender.

When I'm on the phone, and they can't answer my question, I assume they don't know.

52 posted on 11/23/2025 11:45:01 AM PST by aspasia
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To: timza
Done so on purpose, because chaos creates opportunities that arise when chaos runs rampant, that do not exist when normaalcy is present.

Confusion is what creates chaos.

53 posted on 11/23/2025 11:45:42 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong

And then there’s distraction.


54 posted on 11/23/2025 11:47:25 AM PST by aspasia
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To: rlmorel

LOL!

It is political “Calvin Ball!”


55 posted on 11/23/2025 11:48:58 AM PST by Taxman (We will never be a truly free people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS. )
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To: aspasia

As well as, deflection & gaslighting. 😁🤙


56 posted on 11/23/2025 11:49:39 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong

I faintly recall a philosopher, Berdayev I think, that thought we should use the same tactics not to lead people astray, but instead to common sense and truth. Not sure about that and neither was Corrie Ten Boom, but I could see that in pedagogy, building the right fences does help.


57 posted on 11/23/2025 11:55:30 AM PST by aspasia
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To: aspasia

I suppose the question now is “so what”. There are many twists and turns to this subject. Perhaps it boils done to morality. Then, is the intent benevolent or malevolent? If morality is the key then a universal benevolent moral code is required, which brings us back to the current point. May be impossible. In the meantime when engaged or facing a communication dilemma we should insist and provide clarity it the definition of the elements of the topic. Destroy democracy is meaningless unless all parties understand the context of democracy in the instant of the discussion. Challenge undefined statements.

An undefined problem cannot be solved.


58 posted on 11/23/2025 12:02:45 PM PST by timza ( “Character, in the long run, is the decisive factor in the life of an individual" T. Roosevelt)
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To: equaviator

“First on the list” of relevant topics


59 posted on 11/23/2025 12:12:17 PM PST by Az Joe (25 YEARS ON FREE REPUBLIC! 11/01/2025, 700+ POSTS, 15,500+ REPLIES - "MADE IT MA, TOP OF THE WORLD!")
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To: timza
An undefined problem cannot be solved.

I'm all for it, but--for better or for worse--the fun and poetry get squashed in the quibbles, especially with dogmatists.

Why did you use that title, "Where have all the flowers gone?"

60 posted on 11/23/2025 12:15:04 PM PST by aspasia
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