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Interest rates are too high and policy is restrictive, says Treasury counselor Joe Lavorgna
CNBC ^ | 11/12/2025 | CNBC - Brian Sullivan

Posted on 11/12/2025 12:50:29 PM PST by millenial4freedom

Joe Lavorgna, counselor to Treasury Secretary Bessent, joins 'The Exchange' to discuss the state of the government shutdown, what a reopened government will do to the economy and much more.

(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: economy; fed; housing; trump

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1 posted on 11/12/2025 12:50:29 PM PST by millenial4freedom
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To: millenial4freedom

Interest rates are too low, given the current Inflation Rate.


2 posted on 11/12/2025 12:52:03 PM PST by Paladin2 (YMMV)
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To: Paladin2

Trump and his circle seem adamant that that isn’t true...or they’re worried about the labor market.


3 posted on 11/12/2025 12:54:52 PM PST by millenial4freedom (Government was supposed to preserve freedom, not serve as a jobs program for delinquents and misfits)
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To: millenial4freedom

Trump needs to juice the Economy for 2026 and a big part of reducing the Debt is through Inflation.

Trump is in favor of moderate Inflation through the end of his term and wants to greatly reduce the interest the Fed Gov’t is currently paying on the Debt.


4 posted on 11/12/2025 12:59:22 PM PST by Paladin2 (YMMV)
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To: Paladin2

I agree with that.

Even if I didn’t, I think the Fed is always too slow in either direction. They were 6-8-12 months too slow to hike rates in 2021. I don’t give them a pass for that, but every other western/free market central bank also went too slow. The US peaked - and recovered - earlier, but it was a global “everyone was too slow; the US was just too slow *first*”.

I say this despite being an investor who knows there’s a bubble pop coming and has little plan than to ride it out, but the Fed needs to be cautious and hold onto the slack.

Better to be slow in both directions, than inconsistent.


5 posted on 11/12/2025 1:07:59 PM PST by Capn Hayek (Capital is not responsible for Labor's lack of planning)
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To: millenial4freedom

Actually, loose printing-press money has inflated house prices while the 30 year mortgage interest rates today are NOT high by historical averages.

People, even finance people have too much short term memory when it comes to money matters.

From 1971 to today the overall average 30 year mortgage interest rate is about 7.7% - which is HIGHER than it is today. (I downloaded the data from the attached link and took an average for the 2800+ weekly rates since 1971).

Mortgage payment rates are too high because housing prices are inflated with federal reserve printing press money the past twenty years, NOT because mortgage interest rates are out of wack.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MORTGAGE30US#


6 posted on 11/12/2025 1:11:06 PM PST by Wuli ( )
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To: Capn Hayek

“an investor who knows there’s a bubble pop coming and has little plan than to ride it out”

Riding it out is usually the best plan for a long term investor. So you have a plan. :-)


7 posted on 11/12/2025 1:11:33 PM PST by plain talk
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To: plain talk

It was a pittance, but a new pittance. I opened my first investment account just before ‘Black Monday’ in 1987, like 2 weeks before. Still, in the late 80s? For just-married me in my 20s? ~a thousand bucks becomes $500 in a poof. I thought I just got conned.

Dot com bubble, 9/11, 2008, Covid.

I’m obviously older now and well-hedged, but I’m a firm believer in the idea that any dollar in the market is one I neither need nor want in the next ~5 years.

Especially now with such cheap options on index-based ETFs? No-brainer.


8 posted on 11/12/2025 1:27:00 PM PST by Capn Hayek (Capital is not responsible for Labor's lack of planning)
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To: millenial4freedom

My first mortgage was 8 1/2% and a second was 10%


9 posted on 11/12/2025 2:39:24 PM PST by eyeamok
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To: Capn Hayek

“a thousand bucks becomes $500 in a poof. I thought I just got conned.”

Yeah I remember 1987 as well. I didn’t believe I was conned as I knew what the stock market was all about and the risks. But in 1987 that lesson became less academic and more personal. :-)

Long ago I settled on long term index investing. Invest, diversify, leave it alone and allow it to grow. One technique that worked well for me was to increase one’s investment % each year. Put a healthy chunk of annual raises into investments.

I know you know all this but posting it in case there are some 20 somethings out there that might benefit from what I learned the hard way.

Decades later I am retired and am grateful for everything God has given me to steward.


10 posted on 11/12/2025 2:46:15 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Capn Hayek

The Fed have TDS.


11 posted on 11/12/2025 2:48:07 PM PST by Paladin2 (YMMV)
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To: millenial4freedom

wood for house ~= $11,000 total [~$3,000 from tariffs I believe]

Park Slope, Brooklyn Heights, Fort Greene, Upper East Side, Upper West Side

~3,240,000 square feet of brown stone

~$25 million, total

It’s not Trump’s fault that people buying houses don’t know proper prices to offer. Too many people have too much money from the stock market.


12 posted on 11/12/2025 3:15:05 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: millenial4freedom
No, they are not. I remember the good old days of a 5% pass book savings account and an 11% mortgage.

3% rates are for charlatan investment bankers that cover the spread of a fake business using press releases to attract stock investors to cover the spread. If you can't make a profit in your business, stop asking for free money.

If you make a widget or provide business services and can't survive on 5% terms of borrowed capital, you need to close your doors.

10% mortgages would drop housing values by 40%. But that would drop municipality tax revenues by 40%.

Stupid folks we are.

13 posted on 11/12/2025 3:19:52 PM PST by blackdog ((Z28.310) "Diggin the scene with a gangster lean" (Mayfield, Curtis) )
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