Is Puerto Rican Independence The Only Way To Prevent Puerto Rican Statehood? (Vanity)

Self | November 6, 2015 | Self

[mbrfl]

With talk of ending the filibuster increasing, it's worth considering the effect that doing so may have on efforts to grant Puerto Rico statehood. The threat of adding two virtually guaranteed Democratic Senators to Congress via Puerto Rican statehood is often given as a reason to oppose the filibuster. On the other side of the argument are those who say that the Democrats will just eliminate the filibuster anyway, next time they come back into power so not doing so now is just a postponement of the inevitable.

If ending the filibuster is inevitable, is granting Puerto Rico its independence the only way to permanently take Puerto Rican statehood off the table? Thoughts?

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[desertsolitaire]

I have long thought rebuilding our drug manufacturing industry on that Island and medical equipment would be a great way to bring that back to the homeland and assure infrastructure upgrades there, more jobs for the population of it, etc.

[Round Earther]

If you grant independence to Puerto Rico, half the island will move to the mainland.

[Bringbackthedraft]

Half will go to the main land, the other half will sell the island to China, take the money and move to the mainland.

[mbrfl]

With independence, their residents would not have automatic U.S. citizenship or the automatic right to immigrate to the U.S. They would be like the residents of any other country in that regard.

[FlingWingFlyer]

We don’t need another friggin reloading state. If the RATS want to add Puerto Rico, they need to be required to give up one of their blue crap states. The PR dump would add two more commie bastards to the Senate. We don’t need that.

[MinorityRepublican]

If you grant independence to Puerto Rico, half the island will move to the mainland.

That's fine. As long as they're not going to get 2 Senators.

[dfwgator]

If they want to be a part of the US, just declare it the ‘6th Borough’ of NYC.

[dfwgator]

Something to consider. If you add PR as a state, it means changing the flag. Now what do you think the liberals are going to do? They will suggest that if we have to redo the flag, we might as well “redesign it to better reflect who we are today.”

[DIRTYSECRET]

**Their residents would not have automatic U.S. citizenship. They would be like the residents of any other country in that regard.**
Dump the bad ones there-think Rykers Island.

**If the RATS want to add Puerto Rico, they need to be required to give up one of their blue crap states.**
Been sayin’ it here all along. Hawaii-they have the angry native Hawaiian sentiment we can tap into. Get rid of 2 senators while we head them off at the pass in PR-the 2 senators that is. .

[Round Earther]

“With independence, their residents would not have automatic U.S. citizenship or the automatic right to immigrate to the U.S.”

What do you plan to do on the day before or the year before Puerto Rico becomes independent?

How are you going to stop American citizens from traveling from what part of the United States to another part of the United States?

[DIRTYSECRET]

My friends this is an opportunity for us to be proactive. Problem-the GOP is not smart enough to know that.

[x]

You’re not looking forward to Senators Ricky Martin and Bad Bunny?

[Midwesterner53]

Get rid of the filibuster and change the statehood rules to require a 2/3 vote in the Senate with a simple majority vote.

[FlingWingFlyer]

reloading state= FREELOADING STATE. We had a conversation hear earlier this year that all of the Caribbean islands refer to PR as the garbage dump of the Caribbean. I don’t want to believe that American taxpayers are going to want to be responsible for cleaning that joint up.

[GingisK]

Yeah, cut it loose.

[Brian Griffin]

Make it part of another state.

NY?

Any takers at all?

[Brian Griffin]

We need to limit the ability of Democrats to buy votes by placing middle-class tax caps in the federal constitution.

Enter in bills for two constitutional amendments:

Levies on any residential property of less than 2799 square feet of finished living space shall be no higher than the 2019 dollar amounts for the property, or for a newer or since resold property no higher than what it would have been levied at for 2019 if it lacked owner specific tax breaks, increased by 3% per calendar year since 2019 and by any percentage increase to its finished living space.

Federal taxation on personal income shall be progressively capped as follows:
below 20% of the median federal full-time civilian employee compensation amount, 10%,
below 50% of the median federal full-time civilian employee compensation amount, 22%,
below the median federal full-time civilian employee compensation amount, 30%,
below the average federal full-time civilian employee compensation of the 100,000 largest recipients, 35%,
below the average federal full-time civilian employee compensation of the 10,000 largest recipients, 40%.

[Note 1: All percentages to include employee FICA and self-employment tax as they are income taxes.]
[Note 2: These are very close to the combined (1040 + employee FICA & Medicare) personal income tax rates now levied.]
[Note 3: Anything that the IRS would as of January 1, 2024 legally be able to collect income tax on if provided to any person would be considered compensation.]

Fighting in Congress to send middle-class income and property taxation cap constitutional amendments to the states would make Congress turn deep red come 2027.

[mbrfl]

It would have to be phased in with perhaps a 5 year window. Residents would be given an option of choosing Puerto Rican citizenship or U.S. citizenship. They would have 5 years to decide. During the transition, the number of Puerto Ricans allowed to immigrate would decrease each of the succeeding 5 years. Anyway, that’s just a thought.

Either way, some transition period would likely be needed and the details would have to be figured out ahead of time. If there’s a better way than what I suggested, I’m open to listening.

[mbrfl]

That’s the way I see it too. It is an opportunity for the Republicans if they knew how to seize it. If you ask your average base Republican what he thinks about Puerto Rican independence he’ll probably give you a shrug and say, “Eh, whatever. It doesn’t really matter or effect me one way or the other”. If you ask that same person what he thinks about giving Puerto Rico statehood he’ll say “Hell no!”