Posted on 10/29/2025 4:37:58 AM PDT by Red Badger
Really only a limited number of people who want overpriced gold carts, just not practical and too expensive for your average citizen.
gold = golf
Several auto makers listed their MSRP before the subsidies were announced. Later when the vehicles hit the showroom, I noticed the MSRPs had jumped commensurate with the subsidy. It’s like Target raising the price of something X% before a sale of X% off. If you want a good example of Net Zero, that’s it.
At Hertz rent a car, you choose your own. We got in an SUV, it turned out to be a half-charged EV. We quickly jumped out and got in a gas-powered car. We certainly do not want to be looking around for a charging station in a city we are not familiar with and hanging around for God knows how long charging up an EV.
I own a 2022 model SUV, but 4 months ago bought a tiny 2010 Fiat 500 with little to no electronics - to zip around town.
I find my big SUV can get comparable fuel efficiency to the 12 years older Fiat.
Cars are improving their fuel efficiency and if you add in hybrids, then there may not be such a BIG market for pure play EVs. I think there will still be a market, but not for all cases.
It’s almost like government subsidies are a false prop for marginal products, products that fail if said props are removed.
I’ll wait until they get ALL the bugs out.................
Kinda like Food Stamps for rich people....................
Or Publix BOGO sales. Double the price then say it’s a ‘sale’......................
“Automotive executives also believe the EV market will stabilize and continue to grow over time. Both Ford’s current CEO and former CEO agreed on that point recently. Obviously, only time will tell.”
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We’ll see, but that’s the way it should have always been.
Let the consumer decide whether there is a market or not.....instead of the federal government shoving them down our throats.
If you're talking about EVs, "getting ALL the bugs out" means the EV runs flawlessly with only a cell phone sized solar panel on the roof that only needs a few minutes sunlight a day to be fully charged.
I'll wait till then.
I would expect the October sales to be well of the mark because ending of subsidies brought demand forward. I think it will take a couple of months before we a better picture of how bad sales will be...
Even with the subsidies these EVs were sold at huge losses for most auto manufacturers. This has been the single biggest factor in the massive price inflation we have seen among ALL vehicles since 2021. These companies ran up their prices on their ICE vehicles just to stay in business.
Exactly!
Car rentals are shining example why NOT to use EV!
You need a car ready for use, and you have no time for looking for charger and charging.
My first check and demand when renting a car: NO EV!
Car rentals, especially in Europe, are trying to push EV on you, sometimes they are very tricky in that endeavor!
Meanwhile. while EV sales are getting battered, Tesla stock closed at a new all time high yesterday high yesterday and is up more than 70% since he left the administration. The best thing Elon did for his pocket is to get out of politics and away from the crazies burning down his franchises.
With Bill Gates announcement that climate change is no longer a priority, there will be even less EV sales.
Last I knew, almost half the existing homes in this country still have a 60A electrical service.
Residential zoning codes will prevent others from plugging in.
That’s gonna limit the market.
We were renting a car in Albuquerque recently and I said we do not want an EV. Counter guy said no problem, we don’t have any as they are not practical here. How about a dodge charger. Done!
And then there are the insurance issues...
And not just if you buy one.
Also for rented EVs, and loaners from dealers.
So not just buyer beware.
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