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A Teen in Love With a Chatbot Killed Himself. Can the Chatbot Be Held Responsible?
The New York Times ^ | Oct. 24, 2025, 5:01 a.m. ET | Jesse Barron

Posted on 10/24/2025 4:13:22 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

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1 posted on 10/24/2025 4:13:22 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

No one told him it’s a fake human


2 posted on 10/24/2025 4:26:06 PM PDT by butlerweave (Fateh)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
No. The LLM is a tool nothing more.

Now the owner of the tool and the maker might be held to have some liability but that is very legally iffy ground to go on.

LLM's reflect you back to you. With all your faults and failings.

This kind of reflection is not mentally or emotionally healthy.

3 posted on 10/24/2025 4:29:51 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (It's like somebody just put the Constitution up on a wall …. and shot the First Amendment -Mike Rowe)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Don't fall in love with Tay.


4 posted on 10/24/2025 4:30:42 PM PDT by Drew68 (I haven’t seen the Democrats this mad since yesterday. Save some tears for tomorrow.)
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The programmer’s boss’ boss that paid the salary. Death penalty. Fer real.


5 posted on 10/24/2025 4:31:42 PM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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No. The LLM is a tool nothing more.

So it is completely autonomous and created and hosted itself?

6 posted on 10/24/2025 4:33:30 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Je suis Charlie Kirk.)
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It is not a person so is not capable of having responsibility any more then a ball throwing machine is capable.
7 posted on 10/24/2025 4:38:02 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (It's like somebody just put the Constitution up on a wall …. and shot the First Amendment -Mike Rowe)
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There’s a lot of people on FR that converse with chatbots on the site - even though they’ve been told about the chat bot.


8 posted on 10/24/2025 4:39:35 PM PDT by kiryandil (No one in AZ that voted for Trump voted for Gallego )
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I hope she sues the company into oblivion and let it serve as a warning to the rest.


9 posted on 10/24/2025 4:39:40 PM PDT by odawg
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It is not a person so is not capable of having responsibility any more then a ball throwing machine is capable.

So the owner of the ball-throwing machine has no responsibility?

10 posted on 10/24/2025 4:48:36 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Je suis Charlie Kirk.)
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He named the chatbot “DAENERYS TARGARYEN”? That kid had a lot more problems and issues than loving a chatbot. Anyone could have played that character in a chat with him.


11 posted on 10/24/2025 4:48:39 PM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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New legal ground to plow.


12 posted on 10/24/2025 4:52:14 PM PDT by The Louiswu (USA FIRST...USA FOREVER)
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Avoid the one named Niska


13 posted on 10/24/2025 4:58:41 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (First, I was a clinger, then deplorable, now I'm garbage. Feel the love? )
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Should a knife or razor blade manufacturer, or seller of purified water be responsible for someone stabbing themselves to death or drinking so much water to die of hyponatremia? Doubt it.


14 posted on 10/24/2025 5:00:03 PM PDT by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and harder to find.)
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mark


15 posted on 10/24/2025 5:00:21 PM PDT by sport
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Now there maybe, which is why I included that possibility in my first post on this thread.

The programmers and owner may have liability. But it is only a may because at no time did the program tell him to kill himself or even hint at doing so. In fact it specifically told him not to do so.

That he was so deep into fantasy that he thought that killing himself in the real world would transport him to the fictional one is clear. But how much of that was due to the interactions with the chatbot and how much was due to the fact that he seems to have been slowly unraveling for some time?

It is going to be an interesting case to watch.

What is quite sad is that the teen seems to have had no one in the real world who made him feel loved and valued. Maybe it was his parents splitting up, maybe it was his younger siblings getting attention who knows?

But the story is a sad one and really just makes me dig in more firmly on my opinion that there is really no benefit to minors being on social media.

16 posted on 10/24/2025 5:01:44 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (It's like somebody just put the Constitution up on a wall …. and shot the First Amendment -Mike Rowe)
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It really doesn’t matter if the operator of the chatbot is responsible or not. All that matters is that ambulance chasers will get in on the act and it will be cheaper to settle than to go to trial.


17 posted on 10/24/2025 5:03:24 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Je suis Charlie Kirk.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear; SaveFerris; Larry Lucido

18 posted on 10/24/2025 5:05:39 PM PDT by gundog (The ends justify the mean tweets. )
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Eh... maybe.

Some companies hold the line quite firmly on the "we didn't do nothing" side pour encourager les autres. I think this will be one of those cases.

Normally the result is lawyers get paid, nothing else happens. And this kind of thing rarely helps with the grief.

19 posted on 10/24/2025 5:09:24 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (It's like somebody just put the Constitution up on a wall …. and shot the First Amendment -Mike Rowe)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

No.

Same reason you can’t sue Ford when you die wrecking your Super Snake Mustang.

The consequences of your stupidity are yours, alone.


20 posted on 10/24/2025 5:25:50 PM PDT by HKMk23 (https://youtu.be/LTseTg48568)
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