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Senators will force a vote to prevent war on Venezuela without approval from Congress
NPR ^ | Oct 17 | npr

Posted on 10/17/2025 2:33:33 PM PDT by RandFan

Amid a wave of U.S. military strikes in the Caribbean and plans for covert operations in Venezuela, Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va., is leading a bipartisan effort to force a vote to stop President Trump from unilaterally declaring war on the South American nation.

Kaine, a longtime proponent of Congress' powers to declare war, filed the resolution late Thursday, a move that will force the Senate to take up the legislation after a 10-day waiting period. Sens. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., and Rand Paul, R-Ky., co-sponsored the plan.

Kaine said concerns about war in the Latin American region are growing.

"The pace of the announcements, the authorization of covert activities and the military planning makes me think there's some chance this could be imminent," Kaine told reporters.

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To: lastchance

It is the Military Industrial Complex. Trump is about to end the two major markets for their products. So they have to create a new market. No way are they ever going allow NO markets... So they are doing what they have always done. Send in the CIA and start a war and new market for their products.


61 posted on 10/17/2025 6:16:23 PM PDT by Openurmind (AI - An Illusion for Aptitude Intrusion to Alter Intellect. )
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To: DesertRhino

Correct. WPA should have been repealed. Congress alone has the power to declare war.


62 posted on 10/17/2025 6:53:44 PM PDT by DownInFlames (P)
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To: Albion Wilde

Sounds like “the tree” has totally bad DNA and needs to be culled.


63 posted on 10/17/2025 7:01:58 PM PDT by Paladin2 (YMMV)
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To: Openurmind

I think you have spotted the warmongers in the room.


64 posted on 10/17/2025 7:34:57 PM PDT by lastchance (Cognovit Dominus qui sunt eius.)
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To: Openurmind

“”Send in the CIA and start a war and new market for their products.””

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Baloney. The war was already started, albeit unofficially, by Maduro by sending millions of dollars worth of lethal, addictive drugs to the US, along with Venezuela’s worst killers and criminals, and gang members. The CIA was there to gather intel on those unofficial war activities against the USA. But congrats on sounding more like friends of Maduro and America’s enemy without than a pro-America patriot. Duly noted.


65 posted on 10/17/2025 7:54:55 PM PDT by Danie_2023
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To: lastchance
NeoCons are like zombies. Unless you destroy the brain they will always rise up to eat the living.


66 posted on 10/17/2025 9:07:47 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (To live free is the greatest gift; to die free is the greatest victory. —Erica Kirk)
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To: Albion Wilde

Now that is scary!


67 posted on 10/17/2025 9:10:10 PM PDT by lastchance (Cognovit Dominus qui sunt eius.)
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To: Paladin2
Sounds like “the tree” has totally bad DNA and needs to be culled.

When it comes to fruits of the spirit, that apple didn't fall far from the tree.


68 posted on 10/17/2025 9:12:46 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (To live free is the greatest gift; to die free is the greatest victory. —Erica Kirk)
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To: RandFan
Article II Section 2 FIRST sentence: The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States;

I don't see any other clause in the Constitution that grants Congress the legal authority to override this. An act of Congress cannot supersede the Constitution itself.
69 posted on 10/17/2025 9:21:37 PM PDT by rottndog (Posse Comitatus does not Trump the Constitution. )
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To: Danie_2023

It is obviously way over your head if you do not understand the MIC and how it works, and that the excuse of drugs was a lie. That is not “why” we are doing it. You believe that then I have a bridge to sell you.


70 posted on 10/18/2025 1:25:11 AM PDT by Openurmind (AI - An Illusion for Aptitude Intrusion to Alter Intellect. )
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To: Openurmind

“”It is obviously way over your head if you do not understand the MIC and how it works, and that the excuse of drugs was a lie. That is not “why” we are doing it. You believe that then I have a bridge to sell you.””

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Oh yes. Way over “my” head. Because... you’re just so darn brilliant and... you happen to know it all, eh? Sooo superior intellectually, too! Funny, but... your attitude reeks and sounds like any agenda-driven leftie I’ve ever encountered. Just ask them. If you disagree with them on anything, they’ll tell you right quick (like you’ve done) how dumb YOU are and by contrast, how smart they are.

Here’s the problem. You’re wrong. Now, I don’t know if that’s because you’ve got an agenda here... or whether you’re the ‘dumb’ one. Either way, you’re incorrect. There is no “excuse of drugs”. There’s a reason for what Trump has done and is doing re: Venezuela that includes Maduro using drugs and Venezuelan ‘bad guys’ immigrants against the USA, and it’s a valid one. That’s a fact.

Have a nice day.


71 posted on 10/18/2025 6:12:43 AM PDT by Danie_2023
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To: Danie_2023

Nope, once again you have no clue how the One World Order Global Corporations (owned by Democrat Communists) and the MIC works. Educate yourself and come back, then maybe we will debate.

Now do not go off and play victim again like last time, you attacked me first, I am only defending myself here with 45 years of honest hard earned knowledge.

Do you actually support these Democrat Communist One World Order Corporations? Why would you even defend them? I know why, because you do not really understand how it really works.


72 posted on 10/18/2025 10:08:56 AM PDT by Openurmind (AI - An Illusion for Aptitude Intrusion to Alter Intellect. )
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To: Openurmind
Nope, once again you have no clue how the One World Order Global Corporations (owned by Democrat Communists) and the MIC works. Educate yourself and come back, then maybe we will debate.

I know exactly how the OWOGC and the MIC works. Where we differ ... is that you're basically insinuating (or claiming) that Trump is in the wrong with Venezuela here, supposedly because there is no "drugs war" going on against America. That's BS and if you don't know that, you're not even half as 'bright' as you apparently think you are.

Now do not go off and play victim again like last time, you attacked me first, I am only defending myself here with 45 years of honest hard earned knowledge.

LOL! Look who is playing the victim here while accusing someone ELSE of playing victim. Hilarious! I previously, on another thread last week, asked you a simple question in response to a blanket claim you threw out there...for which you got all huffy about and proceeded to insult my intelligence for asking. I can only conclude that the only reason you got your panties in a wad... is because either you didn't know the answer and didn't like being put on the spot... or you didn't want to reveal your real stance here on this forum. Either way, I let it go. But I won't let 'these' current lies of yours about the ongoing drug war Maduro is waging against America go. Sorry, not sorry.

Do you actually support these Democrat Communist One World Order Corporations? Why would you even defend them? I know why, because you do not really understand how it really works.

Really stupid question since... anybody that knows my political stance here, by now, knows that I detest the globalists/communists and Democrats with every fiber of my soul. Also stupid since I have NEVER defended them. You are either suffering from severe reading comprehension disability... or an even more severe inability to interpret what you have read.

73 posted on 10/18/2025 10:51:24 AM PDT by Danie_2023
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To: Danie_2023

And once again, you do not know how it works. They do not work for Trump, Trump is working for them to further their goals and doesn’t even know it.

And this one is dangerous. This one is going to bolster Venezuela’s power in the region not diminish it. This one is going to make Venezuela a nuclear power right in our back pocket.

This one is dumb. And from the beginning it never was about drugs at all... Drugs was just the BS cover excuse to go invade another country. Invading Venezuela was the true goal in the first place.

And it is a mistake and we are going to be sorry if we do.


74 posted on 10/18/2025 1:04:35 PM PDT by Openurmind (AI - An Illusion for Aptitude Intrusion to Alter Intellect. )
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To: escapefromboston

That may be part of the strategy. The “leak” puts pressure on the Maduro government. They can’t ignore it they have to react in some way. It also encourages the opposition which just got a Nobel Peace prize. The recipient dedicates it to Trump. More interesting pressure!

International conflict isn’t just fleets, soldiers & planes it’s information warfare. Modernizing Clauswitz diplomacy by other other means!


75 posted on 10/19/2025 9:41:32 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily

That makes a lot of sense , I could see that being the case here. Hopefully it works out


76 posted on 10/19/2025 9:44:16 AM PDT by escapefromboston (Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.)
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