All the traditional missals for the laity have both Latin and the English translations side by side, so it is really very easy to understand everything.
Posted on 10/12/2025 10:43:16 AM PDT by nickcarraway
Ironically, the problems that are causing the waning of the TLM might be remedied were the TLM more widely available.
For centuries, Catholics around the world attended the celebration of what is often called the Tridentine or Traditional Latin Mass (TLM) and was more recently called the Extraordinary Form of the Mass by the late Pope Benedict XVI. The English author and Catholic convert Evelyn Waugh wrote, shortly before the liturgical reforms promulgated by the Second Vatican Council, of the TLM’s influence on generations of Saints and martyrs. “This was the Mass for whose restoration the Elizabethan martyrs had gone to the scaffold. Saint Augustine, St. Thomas à Becket, St. Thomas More, Challoner and Newman would have been perfectly at their ease among us; were, in fact, present there with us,” Waugh wrote. “Their presence would not have been more palpable had we been making the responses aloud in the modern fashion.”
While the TLM was quietly carried on by a minority of Catholic priests following the late 1960s, when the Novus Ordo missale became the new standard for the Catholic liturgy, it experienced something of a renaissance in 2007, when Benedict XVI liberalized the celebration of the old Mass with his motu proprio Summorum Pontificum. In 2021, however, the late Pope Francis issued his own controversial motu proprio, Traditionis Custodes, largely restricting the celebration of the TLM that so many had come to know and love over the previous decade-and-a-half.
Many of those devoted to the TLM wondered why such a reverent and revered gem from the Church’s liturgical treasury would be snatched away from them. For many, the TLM was a uniquely mystical experience, shaping or reshaping body, mind, and soul to contemplate Christ and to place themselves in His presence.
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I was good as a kid at pronouncing the Latin responses compared to my Texan classmates who murdered them. That led to me being requested by the nuns to serve as single altar boy for their daily 6AM Mass in their convent.
Without Latin the Mass is lousy.
IMO, tradition is great; I love tradition.
But if ALL the congregants aren’t fluent in Latin, what’s the point? When tradition for the sake of tradition takes precedence over people hearing and understanding the Gospel, it seems wrong. A bit insulting to the hearers who don’t know Latin.
The “mystical” aspect is worrisome. The Gospel should be completely UN-mystical; it should be so clear that EVERYBODY understands.
I do “get” the basic tradition aspect, and the comfort it brings, though. We look for some measure of it when deciding on a church.
JMO.
I loved the idea of all Catholics world wide celebrating in the same language at the same time.
It’s the mystery of faith.
Most parts, people learn the other parts since they are repeated. I mean, Hallelujah and Amen are Hebrew, and Kyrie Eleison is Greek.
The Novus Ordo changed much more than just the language of the Mass. It’s no coincidence that TLM communities are flourishing while the NO church is dying in many places across the formerly Catholic world.
How is the Roman Catholic Church Roman without Latin? How is it Catholic - universal, with every church on earth conducting the Mass in a different language?
Mass is not and never was intended as a Sunday school. That’s what catechism is for. Mass is a sacrifice of God to the faithful. It’s the crucifixion, not the sermon on the mount.
A catechized Catholic knows the meaning and purpose of various parts of the liturgy (Santus, Gloria etc.) and doesn’t need any translation. If however translation is important, it’s all right there in the missal.
The homily (i.e “sermon”) is in native language.
congratulations!
(i had a Texas high school French teacher who murdered French, and English for that matter, mercilessly)
worst of all, I couldn’t tell when she shifted between speaking French and Texan
smiles smiles
you did really well, congrats!
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All the traditional missals for the laity have both Latin and the English translations side by side, so it is really very easy to understand everything.
That’s great! Thanks.
(I think I might be having flashbacks of three years of high school Latin. 😢)
The vicious Modernists, Marxists, and Militants of every stripe know this.
This is why The Mass of The Ages, Traditional Rites and prayers, theology, teachings, etc. had to be—and continue to this very day—ignored, hidden, defiled, and destroyed.
Evil is real and in our midst.
SOLVE ET COAGVLA
Now faith is the substance of things expected the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
Jesus only died once for sin.
“ 12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.”
Hebrews 9:12
See also Heb 7:27
https://nasb.literalword.com/?q=Heb+7%3A27
Heb 10:10
https://nasb.literalword.com/?q=Heb+10%3A10
There’s no need for a Mass of any kind.
Jesus said “It is finished”.
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