Posted on 10/09/2025 10:43:44 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
President Donald Trump announced plans in September to impose a $100,000 fee for new H-1B visa applications, a move that could pose a challenge to companies, particularly in the technology sector, that rely heavily on highly skilled foreign workers.
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"If you're going to train somebody, you're going to train one of the recent graduates from one of the great universities across our land. Train Americans. Stop bringing in people to take our jobs," said Lutnick.
Meanwhile, critics of the fee hikes say the move could stifle innovation by restricting the flow of overseas talent to the United States.
"If you think about people like Elon Musk, for example, when they were startups, they were on a very slim budget and working out of their garage," said Jeff Joseph, president of the American Immigration Lawyers Association. "All of those business never would exist today if that was the situation that we found ourselves in."
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I don’t care Mr. Joseph. Y’all are getting off easy with $100k. Should be more like $250k and apply to renewals. Yeah it’s a lot but the truly best and brightest will be worth it.
Big Tech can do lots to restore American employees. They need to get involved in making sure we have the American-born talent that they need.
1. Work with K-12 education to emphasize STEM. Sponsor job and career fairs. Sponsor science fairs (Intel was aggressively doing this decades ago).
2. Work with universities to recruit and train Americans in tech. Get universities to abandon the loser DEI / “ism” / studies crap that churns out stupid college graduates who contribute NOTHING to our society and nation. Sponsor graduate degree programs; conceive and pay for innovative university graduate level research.
3. Create job training programs for recent graduates.
4. Then, HIRE AMERICANS at prevailing wages.
Have you started packing for your move to Calcutta?
And just like that, there were no Ukraine posts any more.
The Engineering programs are overflowing with people.
A lot are foreign, but that’s because the American kids know they haven’t got a chance of getting hired when facing DEI hiring practices, hostile H1B engineering managers and worse, foreign professors who favor their own and screw the White kids whenever possible.
The schools don’t look like they did in the ‘70s. And the job market definitely doesn’t.
The free market and higher wages will incentivize more of our best students to switch to STEM. There is ZERO need to do anything.
Trust the free market for labor FOR ONCE. Allow the invisible hand to work.
Yep - I’d forgotten about The Delphi Technique.
This is it. Watch the challenges you get on this.
Yep.
Universities make a LOT more money from foreign students. They chase the money.
We’ve had two decades of liberals telling young men they are worthless. We are paying a price for that.
Yes, high school students who contemplate going into tech understand they have dismal job prospects after four or six years. So they don’t go into tech.
All these things can be turned around with the help of tech companies and President Trump.
Things were horribly stacked against American graduates. That was done by government AND industry. They need to change their ways. President Trump can force that. Unfortunately the “invisible hand” is not at work or at least not in favor of US students. Universities make way too much money off foreign students. The foreign thumb on the scale is very bad. Prof. Victor Hanson rails against this constantly.
This IS the turn around. Get it?
Stop immigration PERIOD. Nothing else needs to be done from govt.
Maybe Americans might get hired now.
“Have you started packing for your move to Calcutta?”
Love it! ROFL!
You have the trade issue going for you, that’s it. On everything else you register on par with a box of rocks.
Racism and Xenophobia are lefrest words.
Why ate you siding with globalist policies?
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