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HUD: You Are Getting Scammed By NYCHA. Time To Pay Attention!
Manhattan Contrarian ^ | 8 Oct, 2025 | Francis Menton

Posted on 10/09/2025 4:59:36 AM PDT by MtnClimber

A favorite subject of mine over the years has been the New York City Housing Authority, or NYCHA. NYCHA operates hundreds of buildings housing some 500,000 people, in some 170,000 +/- apartments, mostly built from the 1950s to the 1970s. Organized on a pure socialist model of public ownership with heavily subsidized rents, NYCHA has followed the trajectory of all socialist schemes ever attempted, having gone from an excited beginning into a long, slow death spiral that has now been ongoing for at least two decades.

When NYCHA was building the buildings, everyone seems to have assumed that bricks and mortar just last forever; so nobody bothered to consider that at some point the capital investment would need to be renewed, or to plan for how that would be done. By the 2010s, the buildings were turning 40, 50 and even 60 years old. In 2015 NYCHA announced that it had suddenly discovered a need for some $17 billion to fund urgently-needed repairs. Thereafter, the amounts claimed to be needed for such repairs escalated rapidly: by 2021 it was $32 billion; and by 2023 a new “audit” found the “need” to be $78 billion — about $460,000 per unit. And this is for “low income” housing. (For comparison, according to the most recent data from FRED, the median price of a single family house in the U.S. in the second quarter of 2025 was about $410,000.)

So what’s the plan now? In recent weeks, news reports have revealed that renovation projects are now moving forward on substantial numbers of NYCHA buildings (although a small percentage of the total). Costs, to the extent announced, are in the range of well over $400,000, and up to about $600,000, per unit. And where is the money going to come from? You will not be surprised to learn that they are being as opaque as possible about that. However, it is clear that the main plan is to scam the money out of the federal taxpayers.

HUD: It is time for you to get on top of this situation and shut it down.

Here is a smattering of reports on NYCHA renovation projects that I have come across in the past couple of weeks:

- Something called the NYCHA Journal had a piece on September 25 with the headline “NYCHA & Partners Close on Financing for $433M PACT Project to Renovate 5 Brooklyn Developments.” The piece states that the $433 million will cover “nearly 2,000 residents” in “14 residential buildings.” Since NYCHA buildings average about 3 residents per unit, this plan involves about 700 units, which means that the renovation cost per unit is in the range of $600,000 per unit.

- On October 3, the New York YIMBY website reported that a NYCHA project in East Harlem called the Gaylord White Houses had secured some $272.6 million in financing to renovate four buildings with 523 residential units. That would come to some $521,000 per unit. Again, the financing was said to come via this PACT program.

- On October 4, YIMBY reported that a “$93M Renovation Project [had been] Approved For Bronx River Addition In Soundview, The Bronx.” “The project will include repairs across 226 apartments in two buildings. . . .” $93 million divided by 226 units comes to about $412,000 per unit.

- An October 6 piece, again at New York YIMBY, reported that the NYC Public Housing Preservation Trust is seeking “requests for proposals” to renovate two NYCHA buildings in Bushwick, Brooklyn. The two buildings are said to contain “more than 400 residents” in 209 units. No price is yet available for this prospective renovation.

So what exactly is the plan to pay back these very large new loans?

As background, the average rent on a NYCHA apartment (2024 data) is $588 per month, or just over $7000 per year. Moreover, rents are limited to 30% of resident income, and the average income (same link) is said to be about $25,000 — so NYCHA has almost no ability to raise rents. The $588/month current rent covers only about a third of operating costs, with almost all of the rest provided by federal subsidies totaling in the range of $2.5 billion per year.

But the new loans are going to more than double the operating shortfall. Assuming that the borrowing entity can get a 6% interest rate (likely better than you could get today), and a renovation cost per unit of $400,000 (very optimistic), that means $24,000 annually of added interest cost per unit, or $2000 per month. Tenant rent stays at $588 per month, so taxpayer subsidy must then go from about $1500 per month to more like $3500 per month. If extended to all NYCHA apartments and paid for by the federal taxpayers, the extra $2000 per month per unit would take annual federal subsidies to NYCHA from about $2.5 billion to more like $6.5 billion. (For comparison, the total of rents collected from all NYCHA tenants is around $1 billion per year.)

The renovations are being financed under something called the PACT program (Permanent Affordability Commitment Together). The NYCHA Journal piece linked above has this to say about the PACT program:

The PACT program transitions developments from traditional Section 9 assistance to Project-Based Section 8 and unlocks funding for resident-selected PACT partners to complete comprehensive repairs and to oversee daily property management of the campus.

New York City has a web page further describing the PACT program. From that page:

Through PACT, developments will be included in the federal Rental Assistance Demonstration (RAD) and convert to a more stable, federally-funded program called Project-Based Section 8. This allows NYCHA to unlock funding to complete comprehensive repairs, while also ensuring homes remain permanently affordable and residents have the same basic rights as they possess in the public housing program. . . . Why do we need PACT? NYCHA needs more than $78 billion to fully restore and renovate all of its buildings, but the federal government has provided only a fraction of the funding needed for these improvements.

They are “unlocking” federal funding by going from “traditional Section 9 assistance” to “project-based Section 8" funding. “Section 9” means a multi-billion dollar annual subsidy payable directly from HUD to NYCHA. “Section 8” means that each tenant gets a subsidy in the form of a housing voucher covering the difference between his rent (30% of income) and a rental amount sufficient to cover all the new costs. This will then be “more stable” — with that term apparently meaning no more need to rely on tenants who may or may not pay rent when due, when you can now just get a big regular handout from Uncle Sugar’s infinite pile of money. The federal taxpayer will go from paying around two-thirds of the cost of operating these buildings, to more like five-sixths. And by the way, these buildings don’t pay property tax!

So, HUD, if you just let this happen, you will get scammed for an additional $4 billion a year or so, while NYCHA will remain as a sore tooth in New York City for potentially generations to come. You have an opportunity to shut it down now, through the device of not awarding unlimited Section 8 subsidies to this left-wing graft factory. With that step, you can force NYCHA into a long overdue fundamental restructuring, which otherwise will never occur. Time to pay attention!


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Society
KEYWORDS: housing; hud; leftism; liberaltruth; newyork; nyc

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1 posted on 10/09/2025 4:59:36 AM PDT by MtnClimber
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To: StAntKnee; texas booster

Manhattan Contrarian ping


2 posted on 10/09/2025 5:00:21 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery, wildlife and climbing, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: MtnClimber

NYCHA or CHY-na?


3 posted on 10/09/2025 5:03:00 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (The Democrats' official policy is now, “Hate, Violence and Murder". Change my mind.)
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To: MtnClimber

Ouch. This needs to be written better to get the info out there. Painful read.


4 posted on 10/09/2025 5:03:09 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (ui)
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To: MtnClimber

> the trajectory of all socialist schemes ever attempted, having gone from an excited beginning into a long, slow death spiral <

Yep. Unfortunately, every leftist believes that “this time it will be different”. But of course it never is.

We will soon see another example of this when socialist/communist/Muslim Zohran Mamdani is elected mayor of New York City.


5 posted on 10/09/2025 5:12:13 AM PDT by Leaning Right (It's morning in America. Again.)
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To: MtnClimber

These subsidized housing scams have played a big part in the destruction of the black family.

It would be quite revealing if governments were required to publish data on what percent of the housing units were occupied by fatherless “families”.


6 posted on 10/09/2025 5:14:10 AM PDT by Iron Munro ( Obi-Wan Kenobi: Who's the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?)
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To: MtnClimber

Wow! Fantastic catch by Manhattan Contrarian.

The rest of the country pours money to the politically connected in NYC, while the Democratic Party gets the votes of the poor living in the heavily subsidized housing.


7 posted on 10/09/2025 5:15:20 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: MtnClimber

Why should I, or any other taxpayer outside of NYC, pay for housing in NYC? Any item that is subsidized means it’s being sold for less than market value. That also means it is “over-consumed” with too many people trying to buy what the market cannot supply. I would vote for removing the subsidy, sell to private investors who could rehab the properties, and rent them at true market prices.

Given the rent laws at 30% of gross income, most of the tenants are likely poor. This will cause a huge dislocation in the city. But...why would that be a bad thing? The change would now reflect the true cost of living in NYC and the rest of us taxpayers aren’t on the hook for the folly of experimental Socialism, which has NEVER worked...anywhere.


8 posted on 10/09/2025 5:19:41 AM PDT by econjack
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To: MtnClimber

A guy I know made a pretty good living off of public housing projects. The residents would destroy own property, on purpose. For example, they’d tear out the copper plumbing then sell the copper for a few dollars at a scrap yard.

My friend would be called, and he’d make the repairs.

Rinse and repeat.

My friend eventually stopped doing the work. He said it was becoming too dangerous to enter the buildings.


9 posted on 10/09/2025 5:23:48 AM PDT by Leaning Right (It's morning in America. Again.)
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To: MtnClimber

Just auction the buildings off.

Ten percent of renovated units by number and space to be rented to essential [police, fire, correctional, school & transit in that order of priority, then by priority of years of service] employees at 36% of their salaries, with the city guaranteeing minimum rents of $30/sq. ft. year after prorated property taxation and adjusted by their average salaries.

The NYCHA shall have the pick of the renovated units to meet that 10%, excluding units on the ground floor and the uppermost two floors.

Existing tenants to make their own arrangements, with 10% of the auction proceeds to the existing tenants based on their timely rent payments in 2023, 2024 and the first eight months of 2025 and 5% of the auction proceeds based on occupancy during that timeframe so they have money to find a new place.


10 posted on 10/09/2025 5:27:40 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: MtnClimber

Federal taxpayers should not be on the hook for this, not for Sec. 8 housing in NYC or anywhere else in the country. If cities want to build and maintain subsidized housing, they should do so knowing they will have to do it with 100% of the costs to be paid locally. This is a local, not federal, issue.


11 posted on 10/09/2025 5:29:16 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn (“Giving money & power to government is like giving whiskey & car keys to teenage boys” P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: marktwain

And NYC’s Communists get to see Communism succeeding! They can break their own arms patting themselves on the back while voting ‘Rat.


12 posted on 10/09/2025 5:30:25 AM PDT by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: MtnClimber

Great article, by the way.


13 posted on 10/09/2025 5:33:06 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn (“Giving money & power to government is like giving whiskey & car keys to teenage boys” P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: marktwain

https://www.google.com/maps/@26.0811346,-92.6445743,5z?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDkxNi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

The flying distance from El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras to Florida and Texas is about the same as the flying distance between Florida and New York State.

There are disease problems in the coffee and banana growing businesses. These countries need a new source of income. They could each sell off 10 to 100 square miles for a new country.

Many of your young ones know how to speak Spanish.

The racists and the thieves need to know productive Americans will have options, most especially young people that don’t have substantial housing equity.

Some of us live in housing that needs work too.


14 posted on 10/09/2025 6:00:47 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: MtnClimber

Bkmk


15 posted on 10/09/2025 6:36:11 AM PDT by sauropod
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To: MtnClimber

The city should by itself be responsible to find the tenants new housing using proceeds from selling the buildings to private interests. In some cases whole blocks should be sold off to developers, who will likely destroy the old buildings and build anew.


16 posted on 10/09/2025 10:03:47 AM PDT by Wuli (uire)
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To: MtnClimber

What would be the unit cost to demolish and rebuild?

Better yet, when the socialist becomes Mayor and corporate buildings become ghost towns, what would be the conversion cost to housing?


17 posted on 10/09/2025 10:32:40 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (First, I was a clinger, then deplorable, now I'm garbage. Feel the love? )
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To: MtnClimber

And why isn’t this an Article X issue??? What is the Constitutional basis for HUD anyway? That poor, tortured Commerce Clause?


18 posted on 10/09/2025 10:36:34 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (First, I was a clinger, then deplorable, now I'm garbage. Feel the love? )
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To: MtnClimber
In 2015 NYCHA announced that it had suddenly discovered a need for some $17 billion to fund urgently-needed repairs. Thereafter, the amounts claimed to be needed for such repairs escalated rapidly: by 2021 it was $32 billion; and by 2023 a new “audit” found the “need” to be $78 billion — about $460,000 per unit.

Vegas isn't the only place that was better when the Mob ran it.

19 posted on 10/09/2025 10:40:16 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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