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Posted on 08/24/2025 8:59:18 PM PDT by kawhill
It may be hard to remember a time when it was uncommon for girls and women to play competitive sports, but it’s not exactly ancient history. The 1972 passage of Title IX, which mandated equal access for women to participate in sports and other educational activities that receive federal funding, gets credit for dramatically increasing the number of girls and women playing sports.
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Girls were cuter and sweeter then with better posture, and they weren’t fat.
Not sure but I’d believe it. With wider pelvises, the angles of their femurs are more inward than mens, vertical stresses put more stress on the femur even though women weigh less and also have less upper body mass than men. Further mens muscles are denser (plus we have more) and can take more stress than females. We have significantly more fast twitch fibers and thats what makes our muscle fibers denser.
So I completely believe this is plausible.
Yes, anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) tears are significantly more common in women than in men. Studies have shown that female athletes are 4-8 times more likely to experience an ACL injury.
Women are more prone to ACL tears than men due to a combination of anatomical, hormonal, and biomechanical factors, including wider hips leading to a greater quadriceps-angle, smaller ligament size, less muscle mass and endurance around the knee, and neuromuscular factors affecting landing and cutting techniques. Even hormonal fluctuations during the menstrual cycle can also increase ligament laxity, further increasing the risk of injury.
Interesting enough, ACL tears are not more common in female ballet dancers. In fact, they have a lower rate of ACL injury compared to male dancers and female athletes in other sports, likely due to specialized training that emphasizes alignment and proper landing techniques.
And this is one of the problems in training women for combat with combatives. They are training along side their male counterparts and their bodies are not equal is size, weight, and muscle mass.
wy69
Yes.
I notice the source is Yale. Are we supposed to pretend that both sexes are the same?
I’ve read that 15% of the female Army officers had pelvis fractures from marching, those are from a 15 or 25 year old book.
Yes they are.
Because their hips are wider the knees are more susceptible to lateral damage. This is especially true for basketball players.
When women in the military comes up I mention how they affect the pension system for disabilities and are taking over the VAs, although their numbers are so small.
The WNBA has been shedding players left and right due to knee injuries. The last straw and last entertaining player to leave with an ACL is tough than nails is Sophie Cunningham, and she said the hit that put her down was clean. The women don’t have the quod strength unless you’re maybe Angel Reese. They have small rosters, the bench campers aren’t always a big inprovement, and many on the bench are less than half strength themselves. The rosters aren’t big enough the schedule is too tight, the refereeing is just a water downed street ball league: no blood no foul.
I studied up on this when my daughter was big into rhythmic gymnastics, dance and figure skating.
If women/girls train or play like boys, they see more knee injuries because of their different physiology.
I recall reading that the risk can be mitigated somewhat if girls are taught/trained to play differently than boys.
Just like my son who was prone to ankle sprains. I told to him to be conscientious and recognize his limitations by actively avoiding dangerous behavior (wild jumping for rebounds or blocking shots in his case w/o thinking about landing safely).
In my experience, liberal tears are more common.
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The sourcing & tone of this ‘discussion’ raises questions...
...because it sure sounds like Yale is asserting that female athletes ought be genuinely female (”hormones” & “menstrual cycles,” etc.).
Women definitely cry more ACL tears than men do.
You're thinking of NaCl tears.
Regards,
Q Angle being larger puts more stress from the hips to the foot
https://www.physio-pedia.com/Q_Angle
And it not just athletic women… it’s all women. Even couch potato women…More hip bursitis, the patellar tracking syndrome etc
From personal experience of training girls soccer team: ACL injuries started only when players hit their puberty. Clearly, hormonal change makes the ligaments less resilient to mechanical stress.
All these tears are probably just caused by creatine-caused higher water levels in muscles.
Wear knee braces, cut down on injuries and make them mandatory to slow down all players equally.
Back in olden days when our daughters started playing soccer, I was among a group of dads that started taking our girls to see the Washington Freedom, DC’s women’s professional team in the old league. When that league folded, we continued through the interim period when the top women’s league was the W League, and the local team was the DC United Women’s Team. Then the NWSL was formed, and we have continued with the Washington Spirit. It’s now been a long time.
We did this because men’s and women’s soccer are very different games and we thought it would be wise to take our little munchkins to watch the kind of soccer they might grow up to play. Several of them developed into very competitive players in the local travel leagues and on into college, though none at the D1 or professional level.
Anyhow, it’s still a father-daughter group, and we’ve enjoyed it over the years. One byproduct is that we’ve followed the league and some of the chatter surrounding it.
In recent years, the shift in the conversation about physiological differences has been startling. A decade ago, the chatter was mostly about how the women needed better coaching, better fields, better training. But now, the serious discussion is dominated by very frank discussions about bone structure, musculature, and assorted other sex-linked factors. The serious people are coming around. The idiot chatter among the press and much of the public hasn’t caught on yet, but that will come.
Women are going to suffer more injuries of various types, including ACL tears. That doesn’t mean they should stop playing soccer. The great majority of players will never have an ACL tear. It just means that expectations should be reality-based.
That could be done. Goodness knows, we keep tweaking the equipment rules on football players. Personally, I don't think we've gone far enough. I think all major college and NFL players should be padded up to look like the Pillsbury Doughboy with immovable helmets anchored onto full body armor suits to prevent any head or neck rotation, and knees similarly encased.
That might be the end of football, but that's ok with me. It would be a safer game. YMMV.
I don't know if any consensus will emerge about mandatory knee braces for women soccer players. Yes, women suffer more ACL tears than men do, but most women still will never have one. I'd let it ride until a grassroots groundswell becomes significant. At this point, I don't think I've ever heard of a female player who has never suffered a knee injury wearing a brace just to be safe(r). If braces get to the point that this starts happening voluntarily, maybe ....
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