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Rand being on the same page as Trump lasted a day or two !
1 posted on 08/23/2025 10:31:31 AM PDT by RandFan
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Rage, do we?


2 posted on 08/23/2025 10:33:33 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is opinion or satire. Or both.)
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Libertarians utterly reject industrial policy even though their mercantilist industrial policies are what made China, Japan, Taiwan and SK into first-rank industrial nations, and the US allowing them to get away with it has impoverished the US.


3 posted on 08/23/2025 10:35:04 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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I’m still wondering if Trump had an important reason for doing this.


4 posted on 08/23/2025 10:35:28 AM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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Hmmm...it’s apparently lost on the author that socialism so greatly resembles fascism.


5 posted on 08/23/2025 10:38:44 AM PDT by gundog (The ends justify the mean tweets. )
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Outside of a verified Defense Contract, this is utterly unconstitutional and should be STOPPED OR REVERSED!!

Trump still needs to learn more about federal gov’t constitutional limitations.


8 posted on 08/23/2025 10:40:32 AM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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technincally, it isn’t socialism - its fascism.
but almost the same thing, really.

I do not ordinarily support more government involvement in anything much more than defense.

If this step was really necessary to keep Intel in business in USA, then OKay. We need this technology (including for defense). Besides, a government that kept us sitting on the hallway floor outside the Sociable Insecurity office for 7 hours just to show a driver license to a clerk, is not a paragon of managerial proficiency. And why couldn’t our immense private capital markets have taken care of this? Are our capital markets as Kaput as Intel allegedly was??? This could be the larger story, really...

I will want to see the feds sell the shares to American investors ASAP.


10 posted on 08/23/2025 10:42:41 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicians aren't born, they're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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I haven’t examined this deal, but would like to know where conservative outrage has been on companies that are involved in national defense?

Those companies are “up to their ass” in government control, financing, & involvement.


11 posted on 08/23/2025 10:44:35 AM PDT by unclebankster (Globalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. )
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Gummit has no place owning businesses.


12 posted on 08/23/2025 10:46:19 AM PDT by bray (It's not racist to be racist against races the DNC hates.)
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It's 1939 and we're buying all our tanks from Germany and Poland because no one else makes them...What's YOUR call?

13 posted on 08/23/2025 10:47:38 AM PDT by GOPJ (Superman joined ICE - - Lex Luthor drinks Bud light, drives a Jaguar and is a registered democrat)
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Charles C.W. Cooke was a never Trumper.


14 posted on 08/23/2025 10:47:44 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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I agree - this is an absolutely terrible way for us to go as a country. Government ownership of the means of production?? What the hell is that?


15 posted on 08/23/2025 10:47:59 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin ( )
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This is about America First, not Conservative Orthodoxy.

America needs to be able to make all the chips we require for enterprise and defense. It’s no different than energy or agriculture.

If that requires state investment, tariffs and regulation...so be it.

Conservatism without Nationalism is like Faith without Works.


18 posted on 08/23/2025 10:53:05 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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The US always had a requirement for two Intel or Intel-compatible companies on US soil. That second one was AMD. AMD would not have been allowed to go into bankruptcy, but was also never economically supported, to my knowledge. What is happening with Intel is comparatively bizarre.

That said, the US has consistently “invested” in companies. Ones we rant over include Solyndra. States give all sorts of money or land to companies to move and set up shop. All of these are the same exact sort of economic support from various levels of government. Even tariffs serve as that incentive.

Taking formal slice of a company is really just the same thing in a different manner. However, stock ownership actually leaves value to the taxpayer immediately within the government's “hand.” All of these other approaches are never assured anything good comes back to government in the short term, or ever. Stock ownership is an immediate and fungible way of taking something while giving something of the exact same value.

As one with libertarian leanings, I initially am loathe to the idea of US government ownership, but why shouldn't the government have something guaranteed to let it exit with little risk and little hassle?

It makes sense to me in our world of so many other ways to “encourage” business to stay or grow in the US.

But it must remain a very limited scope and really only to assure we have the defensive industries to keep going after Democrats and liberal Republicans sold the country out to our enemies, leaving us naked and afraid to want our independence back from China, Taiwan, Japan, etc. in being able to assure we can insource everything we need to keep growing as a country.

20 posted on 08/23/2025 10:55:54 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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On X

“Clint Betts
@clintbetts

Replying to
@charlescwcooke
Obama literally did this.

Under his administration, the United States took a 60% stake in GM and Chrysler and then sold it at a $10.7 billion loss to taxpayers.

Bad policy then, bad policy now.

But what Obama did was so much worse”.


22 posted on 08/23/2025 10:57:33 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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First thing they should do is send the thousands of H1Bs packing back to India.


23 posted on 08/23/2025 10:58:23 AM PDT by HYPOCRACY (Wake up, smell the cat food in your bank account. )
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I'm OK with the way Trump handles economics. Let's see what happens. He has been right so far.
For security, America needs its own state of the art fabs instead of depending on Taiwan.

31 posted on 08/23/2025 11:06:50 AM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie ( O give thanks unto the Lord, for He is gracious, and his mercy endures forever. — Psalm 106)
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I’m in favor of creating several clones of Rand Paul!!!

—— so there are enough to form a circular firing squad


35 posted on 08/23/2025 11:11:39 AM PDT by Old West Conservative
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Well, first he hit the stock value by attacking the CEO, and then bought in at the bottom. Maybe time for a shareholder suit against the US government for stock manipulation.


37 posted on 08/23/2025 11:14:14 AM PDT by PAR35
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Seems like this is the LITERAL definition of fascism. Leftists have been screaming he’s a fascist which has been laughably ignorant, but he finally did something worthy of the literal meaning. I’m not too worried about it from that perspective, but it’s a bad idea, IMO. The more government controls something, the worse it gets.


38 posted on 08/23/2025 11:16:33 AM PDT by GrumpyOldGuy
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Broken clock moment: I agree with a NR drone.


45 posted on 08/23/2025 11:29:29 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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