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Is College Worth It Today?
realclearreligion ^ | July 31, 2025 | Jerry Newcombe

Posted on 08/03/2025 4:41:35 AM PDT by daniel1212

Is college worth all the expense and trouble these days? I used to think it was. But look at all the changes for the worse.

So much of what passes for a college education these days is indoctrination in political correctness.

A recent study reported in Newsweek found that one in four Gen Z college graduates regret attending university — all the trouble, all the expense, all the debt. Pew Research Center says Gen Z are those born from 1997 through 2012...

What was the original reason for colleges in the first place?...

Consider just a quick run-down of these schools that many of our nation’s founders attended: 



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To: daniel1212

“vocational schooling”

Welcome to Uber Plumbing....


21 posted on 08/03/2025 5:42:20 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: albie

Correct.


22 posted on 08/03/2025 5:45:43 AM PDT by No name given ( Anonymous is who you’ll know me as)
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To: Kudsman

Exactly.


23 posted on 08/03/2025 5:47:36 AM PDT by No name given ( Anonymous is who you’ll know me as)
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To: ozarker

My career was in the aviation maintenance trade.

I was able to retire at 59 1/2 with full medical benefits and my wife and I have plenty of money to live on.

College isn’t for everyone and it’s not mandatory requirement for success and never has been.


24 posted on 08/03/2025 5:48:57 AM PDT by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave!)
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To: daniel1212

For non-trade technical stuff and business yes.

For useless degrees that amount to nothing more than a college being an extension of daycare, no.


25 posted on 08/03/2025 5:51:53 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: BobL

Just remove the Federal government from any financial connection to colleges except the IRS and make endowment withdrawals income-taxable. The next step in rationalizing the federal government would, of course, remove all government connection to health and medicine.


26 posted on 08/03/2025 5:52:32 AM PDT by arthurus (| covfefe | bbbb )
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To: daniel1212

As a 64 yr old going back to the Univ of Illinois to take classes I am thrilled with the educational experience.


27 posted on 08/03/2025 5:53:28 AM PDT by The Louiswu (USA FIRST...USA FOREVER)
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To: oldtech

Colleges: Hillsdale, Thomas More, Thomas Aquina, perhaps a few more. The rest are vacuous credential mills and marxist indoctrination centers. The community/junior colleges are still, in the main, worthwhile outside of California.


28 posted on 08/03/2025 5:55:35 AM PDT by arthurus (| covfefe | bbdb )
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To: anton

“Harvard Law Journal”

I’ve never read that journal, but I have read law review articles and thought well of them.

I was watching “The Crown” last night. Charles & Diana were getting a divorce. Perhaps the equivalent of European notaries should be used in legal matters.

“Civil law notaries, on the one hand, are independent and impartial public officeholders who have received a delegation of authority from the State to produce authentic acts which have evidentiary effect and which are enforceable, like court decisions. They are entrusted with ensuring freedom of consent, checking the identity of the parties and their legal capacity, so that the legitimate interests of all concerned parties are guaranteed by providing comprehensive legal advice and information. A signature by the notary confers authenticity to legal acts. As guardians of legal certainty, civil law notaries play an
essential role in avoiding subsequent judicial disputes, also reducing the workload and costs of the courts by exercising non-litigious legal competences. Therefore, they play a key role in the preventive administration of justice.”

https://rm.coe.int/specific-study-on-notaries-2020-data-cnue-en-final/1680ae1122


29 posted on 08/03/2025 5:55:43 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: arthurus

I would add that the University should be the co-signer of the loans. You want to teach Womyn’s Studies? Back it up w/ part of your endowment.


30 posted on 08/03/2025 5:58:06 AM PDT by FLNittany
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To: FLNittany

No. Colleges and universities should have to fund the student loans totally. Totally skin in the game.


31 posted on 08/03/2025 6:03:03 AM PDT by Chickensoup
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To: ozarker

A fair point. We ought not surrender our Universities. The Elites are stuck-up enough as it is!


32 posted on 08/03/2025 6:03:19 AM PDT by drwoof
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To: daniel1212

Perhaps colleges should have to co-sign loans and secure them with collateral.


33 posted on 08/03/2025 6:07:05 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: daniel1212

No. Full stop. Worse, it’s a reeducation camp you pay for in tuition and tax subsidies.


34 posted on 08/03/2025 6:08:21 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Imagine what we'll know tomorrow.)
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To: daniel1212

No this is stupid.

Many teens need to start their lives early. 14 or so. Apprentice programs but not mandatory school.

Early marriage with no taxes due each year a child is born. Only for the races with low birthrate. Parity you know.


35 posted on 08/03/2025 6:10:34 AM PDT by Chickensoup
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To: daniel1212

Another thing might be to require students to have paid at least $8,000 in tuition (and had to pay at least $900 in FICA tax) at least four months previously before being able to get a federal student loan.

Student loan recipients would have to have substantially or completely paid for at least a semester of college by their own efforts and found college to be satisfactory.


36 posted on 08/03/2025 6:17:57 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Chickensoup

Perhaps rebates of FICA tax paid for as many whole months the father and mother have been married prior to birth, but for no more than 60 months and reduced by 10% for each year of age of the parent above 25.

Another possibility is to include childcare costs for 401-K payout eligibility. Employers would chip in. Young people would make big contributions early in life. My, you’re a wonderful young man. By the way, how much do you have in your 401-K?


37 posted on 08/03/2025 6:31:00 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: arthurus

it’s a shame the likes of Hillsdale don’t offer degrees in the hard sciences/math fields.


38 posted on 08/03/2025 6:33:09 AM PDT by millenial4freedom (Government was supposed to preserve freedom, not serve as a jobs program for delinquents and misfits)
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To: daniel1212

“Is College Worth It Today? “

Only if it allows you to the get a high paid, DOGE proof Government job or a degree that enables you to become an ambulance chasing Lawyer.


39 posted on 08/03/2025 6:53:54 AM PDT by antidemoncrat (In a way ge is right as)
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To: Brian Griffin

Not only would that trim worthless degree programs from colleges, it would also serve to screen potential students to those most likely to repay the loans.

I’m not sure how they might do that, but there would surely be ways to weight the scales to kids with more potential for life success.


40 posted on 08/03/2025 6:56:20 AM PDT by John Milner (Marching for Peace is like breathing for food.)
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