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Did Ancient Civilizations Have Their Own Ancient Civilizations? [24:35]
YouTube ^ | October 12, 2024 | The Historian's Craft

Posted on 07/21/2025 9:27:14 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

In history class we all learn about "ancient civilizations", like Greece, Persia, Babylon, and Rome. Recorded history, however, starts several thousand years prior to Greece or Rome, for example, being around. So, what did they know about the past? Did ancient civilizations have any ancient civilizations of their own? 
Did Ancient Civilizations Have Their Own Ancient Civilizations? | 24:35 
The Historian's Craft | 103K subscribers | 277,364 views | October 12, 2024 
Did Ancient Civilizations Have Their Own Ancient Civilizations? | 24:35 | The Historian's Craft | 103K subscribers | 277,364 views | October 12, 2024
Sources:
A History of the Ancient Near East, Marc Van De Mieroop
A History of Babylon, 2200 BC - AD 75, Paul-Alain Beaulieu
Reign of Nabonidus, King of Babylon, Paul-Alain Beaulieu
Babylonian Archaeologists of the(ir) Mesopotamian Past, I. J. Winter
Chapters

Herodotus
Greek historian and geographer (c.484–c.425 BC)

Xenophon
Greek philosopher, historian, and soldier (c. 430 – 355/354 BC)

Napoleon Bonaparte
Emperor of the French (r. 1804–1814, 1815)

Nabonidus
Last king of the Neo-Babylonian Empire (r. 556–539 BC)

Nabopolassar
Founder and first king of the Neo-Babylonian Empire

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·Intro
0:07·the current chronology that we use to
0:09·break up the past tends to broadly
0:12·speaking be broken up into several
0:14·discret chunks book ended by what we
0:17·understand in the modern day to be
0:18·significant historical events so broadly
0:22·this is what we understand to be ancient
0:24·classical Medieval Renaissance or early
0:26·modern history and then eventually the
0:29·modern era and all of these can be
·The Three Age System
0:31·broken down even more and you can add in
0:34·things like prehistory which then leads
0:36·us to what's known as the three age
0:38·system or Stone Age Bronze Age and Iron
0:42·Age and you can tweak this even further
0:44·by throwing in the copper age and you
0:46·can subdivide the Stone Age into
0:47·different segments this is where
0:49·Paleolithic misthic and Neolithic come
0:52·into play and these various divisions
0:54·lead me to the topic of this video in
0:56·the modern day we have a period that we
0:58·call ancient history
1:00·and it's populated by what we understand
1:02·to be ancient civilizations if however
1:05·you were to go back to the ancient era
1:07·or even the classical era how would they
1:10·understand the past did ancient
1:11·civilizations have ancient civilizations
1:14·of their
1:15·own this is sort of a difficult question
1:18·to answer but it's a fun one and the
1:20·answer is both yes and no at the same
1:23·time depending on how you look at it in
1:26·a way we're not really asking whether or
1:27·not these older cultures had a notion of
1:29·History that is the recorded past so
·What this video is not
1:32·much as we're asking about the status of
1:34·ancient and classical knowledge about
1:36·that past how they knew what they knew
1:38·or thought they knew and about their
1:40·historiography so what I want to do in
1:42·this video then is take a look at a few
1:44·different examples starting with the
1:45·most recent ones and then moving
1:47·backward Through Time into earlier
1:49·cultures and civilizations but before I
1:52·get to that I want to take a couple of
1:54·seconds and just briefly address what
1:55·this video is and what it is not there
1:59·are a ton of different examples you can
2:01·look at when you try to answer this
2:03·question and at some point I know
2:05·somebody in the comments is going to
2:06·write something along the lines of well
2:09·what about Stonehenge or new grain or
2:12·the various standing stones and
2:13·megaliths throughout Europe and your
2:15·Asia more broadly and North and South
2:18·America as well I am not dealing with
2:20·that sort of thing in this video not
2:22·because ancient and classical peoples
2:24·didn't have thoughts about it or because
2:26·it does not deserve an answer but
2:28·because it's a slight different question
2:31·which involves a slightly different
2:33·answer and dealing with things like
2:34·megaliths and Barrow tombs and thunder
2:37·Stones things of that nature various
2:40·artifacts that aren't clearly associated
2:43·with what ancient peoples were
2:45·considered to be a civilization very
2:47·quickly leaves the realm of what they
2:49·thought history was in the past and it
2:52·starts getting into things like folklore
2:55·so you start dealing with things like
2:56·the Fay and whites and other things of
2:59·that nature so it's going to be a
3:01·separate video in this one we're going
3:03·to be talking about some texts and some
3:05·archaeology anyway the first example is
3:07·going to be centered around the
3:09·classical Greeks but before we get to
·Greek History
3:11·that we have to understand how the
3:12·Greeks conceptualize the past
3:15·essentially there were two sort of
3:17·separate but sort of interwoven ideas on
3:21·the one hand you have the history of the
3:23·pelian war by thides and you have the
3:26·histories written by Herodotus thides
3:29·attempted to based his history on as
3:31·many facts and reliable information that
3:33·he could possibly gather and he claimed
3:35·to write with impartial Detachment his
3:38·account is generally what we understand
3:39·to be the beginning of scientific
3:42·history Herodotus on the other hand did
3:45·not necessarily attempt to verify every
3:47·single thing he wrote about although he
3:49·tried when and where he was able to do
3:51·so the histories is largely in account
3:54·of the Greco Persian War although other
3:56·places people and events are included in
3:58·it including tall tales and legends for
4:01·which Herodotus was ridiculed both in
4:03·his own day and in the present hence his
4:06·moniker the father of Lies the overall
4:08·point however is that both of these
4:10·Greek historians were writing about
4:12·events broadly speaking in their own day
4:16·and to a degree in the past as regards
4:19·Herodotus so their conception of history
4:22·is something as largely being here and
4:25·now quote unquote the other conception
4:28·of the past in the Greek mind was one of
4:30·succeeding ages in which each age was a
4:32·deterioration of the previous one and
4:34·this also shows up in the writings of
4:36·Herodotus just as one example these are
4:39·generally known as the ages of man and
4:41·they come from hot's worked and days and
4:43·his theogony broadly contemporaneous
4:46·with Homer if Homer did indeed exist so
4:48·roughly the 8th Century BC he believed
4:51·that mankind was living in the Iron Age
4:54·and in the Iron Age life was violent and
4:56·it was generally unpleasant before that
4:59·came the age of Heroes when Jason and
5:01·the Argonauts and Heracles and the other
5:03·Heroes of Greek myth roamed the Earth in
5:06·each age men became smaller which is why
5:08·you read in surviving sources from the
5:10·Greek world of finds of things like
5:12·giant bones and things of that nature
·The Iron Age
5:14·now these could be fossils that's
5:16·entirely possible but in the context of
5:19·the Greek outlook on the world that is
5:21·the Iron Age it fits the schema better
5:24·to interpret these supposed finds as
5:26·related to the deterioration of those
5:28·previous ages
5:30·so when it comes to Greek conceptions of
5:32·what we would understand to be ancient
5:34·history at some point you leave the
5:36·mental framework of somebody like thides
5:39·and eventually you enter into the realm
5:42·of Mythology folklore and the five ages
5:45·of man now the Greeks were very aware
5:48·that there were cultures older than
5:50·theirs and they were very honest about
5:52·which cultures those were such as
5:55·Egypt but ruins and things of that
5:58·nature passed a certain point were
6:01·explained by reference to the five ages
6:03·of man they were aware of some sort of a
6:05·deep past but they did not properly
6:08·understand what those things were or how
6:10·deep that past actually was and past a
6:14·certain point they tried to take what
6:17·they saw around them and fit it into
6:19·this mythological chronology that moved
6:22·from a tangible verifiable history into
6:25·essentially the realm of myth so in 401
6:28·BC cus the younger attempted to claim
6:31·the Throne of Persia and thus take it
6:32·from his brother araz xeres II but in
6:36·order to do that Cyrus required an army
6:39·and being the satrap of Lydia and Ionia
6:42·he did have some resources but perhaps
6:44·not enough of what he was planning to do
6:46·so he very famously hired an army
6:49·primarily of Greeks known to us as the
6:52·10,000 this Army marched into the Sands
6:55·of the near East and about 70 km north
6:58·of Babylon they fought fought at the
7:00·Battle of kunoa in 401 BC and although
7:03·they won Cyrus was killed in the
7:07·fighting and hence the 10,000 have a
7:10·problem they're now stuck way Behind
7:12·Enemy Lines and they have to figure out
7:13·a way to get back home so kunaka was
7:15·fought near the city of Babylon and
7:17·hence the 10,000 were standing in a very
7:20·ancient land where at that point
7:23·recorded history as we understand it
7:25·today having found ancient clay tablets
7:28·and other records goes back about 3 or
7:31·4,000 years from the time the 10,000
7:34·were standing there and it's an area
7:36·where soldiers and Kings had fought and
7:38·died for Millennia by this point it's a
7:41·pattern that's really never stopped the
7:43·near East is sometimes called the
7:45·crossroads of the world and for good
7:47·reason it's were some of the first
·The Near East
7:49·civilizations arose and the Ghost of
7:52·those civilizations still dotted the
7:53·landscape in the form of ruins during
7:56·the time of the classical Greeks now
7:58·xenophon one one of the leaders of the
8:00·10,000 and their principal historian
8:03·recorded in the fourth chapter of the
8:04·third book of his account that the Army
8:06·had to cross some sort of a Gorge but
8:09·when they tried to do this they were
8:11·attacked the Greeks did beat off their
8:12·opponents and they marched the rest of
8:14·the day and eventually they reached the
8:17·banks of the Tigris River and when they
8:20·got there xenophon recorded that there
8:22·were the ruins of Two Cities nearby he
8:25·calls them Lissa and MPA and he also
8:28·tells us that both of the cities were
8:30·once occupied by the mes the problem
8:33·though is that these are actually the
8:34·wrong names and he sort of kind of
8:38·identified the wrong people although the
8:40·mes did occupy these two cities they
8:43·were built actually by the Assyrians
8:45·Lissa is the city known to the Assyrians
8:47·as Nimrod and MPA is the city known as
8:50·Nineveh the capital of the great Neo
8:53·Assyrian Empire the Neo Syrian empire
8:55·fell around 609 BC with Nimrod falling
8:58·to a combined Babylonian median assault
9:01·in 614 BC and Nineveh falling and
9:04·essentially being burned looted and
9:06·horribly sacked in
9:09·612 another way of putting this is that
9:11·about only 200 years separate the
9:13·collapse of the Neo Syrian Empire from
9:15·the march of the 10,000 now I wrote the
9:18·script for this video towards the end of
9:21·2024 209 years ago was the Battle of
9:25·waterl and with it the end of Napoleon
9:27·bonapart Napoleon's era and the end of
9:30·the French Revolution and French
9:31·Revolutionary Wars more broadly this is
9:34·one of the most well-known and one of
9:36·the most intensively studied periods
9:38·given its immense importance for the
9:40·modern world apparently more biographies
9:43·and works on Napoleon have been written
9:45·since there are days since he died we
9:48·know about him and yet during the time
9:51·of xenophon looking at a comparable time
9:54·span about 200
9:56·years he seems to know nothing about the
9:59·Neo Syrian
10:00·Empire and this essentially seems to
10:03·have vanished from memory Nineveh the
10:05·fres capital was abandoned so what are
10:09·we to make of this well Nineveh and
10:11·Nimrod were not cities designed to
10:13·support themselves that is to say that
10:15·these were administrative centers first
10:17·and foremost that depended on tribute
10:21·and taxes and resources gained from
10:24·outside so while Nineveh was eventually
10:27·resettled and eventually rebuilt during
10:29·the saluca Empire after the collapse of
10:32·Assyria the ideology and the
10:34·bureaucratic structures that enabled
10:36·something like Nineveh to even exist
10:38·were no longer needed the state
10:40·essentially
10:41·disintegrated the Neo Syrian Empire was
10:44·a state that was heavily based around
10:46·Conquest tribute and population
10:48·transfers when a region was conquered it
10:50·was not unusual for the Assyrians to
10:52·force large percentages of the
10:54·population to move to somewhere else in
10:56·the Empire think of the mass movement of
10:58·the ethnic German
10:59·and ethnic minorities in the Soviet
11:01·Union in the 20th century to get some
11:04·sort of a visual picture on what this
11:06·may have looked like we're talking
11:08·hundreds of thousands if not eventually
11:11·millions of people seems to be one of
11:13·the main reasons for the collapse of
11:14·this state It produced structural
11:16·weaknesses and after the sack of Nineveh
11:19·other more local Powers took over and
11:21·because they did not base themselves
11:23·around the same sort of ideology of
11:25·world Conquest that the Assyrians did
11:27·the impact of that state began to fade
11:30·now the Greeks did know about Assyria
11:32·they were very clear about this they
11:33·knew a state called Assyria existed in
11:36·the near East at some point the problem
11:39·is they don't seem to have been very
11:41·clear on when at some point actually was
11:44·it shows up in the writing it shows up
11:46·in the writing of the Persians and it
11:48·shows up in the Old Testament but very
11:50·quickly it seems that the memory of the
11:52·Assyrian Empire became pretty garbled
11:54·and pretty murky the Greeks knew of
11:56·Assyria but very quickly their
11:58·understanding starts deal dealing with
11:59·things like mythical Kings and the like
12:01·so that 2 centuries or so later by the
12:04·time of xenophon the 10,000 apparently
12:06·don't even realize where they're
12:09·standing these cities while they were
12:12·recognized as cities were misattributed
12:15·to the medians and other ruins such as
12:17·those of urartu an early Iron Age
12:20·Kingdom in Eastern Turkey and Armenia
12:23·were misidentified as being a Syrian so
12:25·essentially the entire historical memory
12:28·becomes very murky
12:29·very fast thus far we've largely been
12:31·talking about Greek conceptions of the
12:33·past but there are even older
·Ancient Mesopotamia
12:35·civilizations and in this case some of
12:38·our best evidence for answering this
12:40·type of question comes from the
12:42·Babylonians specifically the neo-
12:44·Babylonians who overthrew the Neo
12:46·syrians with some help from the mes and
12:49·their king nabonidus who ruled the Neo
12:51·Babylonian Empire between about 556 and
12:54·about 539 BC has sometimes been called
12:57·the world's first archaeologist and his
12:59·daughter analdi kept a museum apparently
13:02·filled with several dozen ancient
13:04·artifacts the ancient Mesopotamians had
13:07·a very clear conception of some sort of
13:09·a longstanding historical tradition
13:12·although not necessarily in the way that
13:13·we would understand it their conception
13:15·revolved heavily around religion and
13:17·legitimizing claims to rulership hence
13:20·the past was considered deeply important
13:22·because it Formed something like
13:24·cultural capital to help reinforce those
13:26·claims to leadership today the city of
13:29·CAD the capital of the Acadian Empire
13:31·the first Empire in recorded history
13:34·that we know of is actually lost and
13:36·although there are some ideas about
13:38·where it might be located including a
13:40·specific site near modern day Baghdad
13:43·the kings of the Neo Babylonian Empire
13:46·which spanned about 626 BC to 539 BC
13:50·including the aforementioned nabonidus
13:52·apparently knew where the city was and
13:55·apparently they excavated portions of it
13:58·and engaged in what we would understand
14:00·to be something like restoration work so
14:03·in this sense yes ancient peoples did
14:06·have genuine ancient civilizations of
14:08·their own and for the rest of this video
14:11·we're essentially going to be talking
14:12·about what can be described as Neo
14:14·Babylonian archology of their Babylonian
14:17·Assyrian and Acadian past ancient
14:19·Mesopotamia has a long long tradition of
14:22·sacred kingship and this is basically
14:25·what forms the background to the
14:26·archaeology conducted not only by nantis
14:29·but other neo-babylonian kings like
14:31·nabopolassar and Nebuchadnezzar II sites
14:34·were not just selected for excavation or
14:36·restoration work at random instead it
14:39·was often revealed to the monarchs
14:41·through some sort of a divine
14:42·intervention like a dream or a rainstorm
14:46·or a flood something of that nature
14:48·which we'll be talking about more in a
14:49·minute and the excavations were done to
14:52·fulfill Divine will the sites chosen for
14:54·excavation in this manner were the major
14:56·cities of the ancient near East Babylon
14:59·for Fairly obvious reasons as it was the
15:01·capital of the Neo Babylonian Empire and
15:04·an ancient city in its own right
15:06·certainly by the time of nabonidus but
15:07·also aad nepur Larsa separ Kish Uruk and
15:12·Ur and at Ur specifically there does
·Ancient Babylon
15:15·actually appear to be evidence that the
15:17·great zigurat of the order 3 period
15:20·otherwise known as the NEOS summerian
15:21·Empire which dates between about the
15:24·22nd and about the 21st centuy BC was
15:28·actually expanded during the Neo
15:30·Babylonian Empire another way of
15:32·conceptualizing that is that the Neo
15:34·Babylonians restored and expanded a
15:36·temple complex which was something like
15:38·1700 years old by that point the
15:41·structure had evidently fallen into
15:43·disrepair by the time of the Neo
15:45·Babylonian State and when it was
15:46·excavated in the early 20th century the
15:49·original foundations were uncovered as
15:51·well as much later restoration at the
15:53·top of the zigurat dating to the time of
15:56·King nabonidus and in a Cod
15:59·Nebuchadnezzar II was looking for the
16:00·Temple of ishar the famous ulash and he
16:03·dug trenches in the city attempting to
16:05·locate the foundations of this building
16:07·now he apparently failed but evidently
16:11·nabonidus claims to have succeeded in
16:14·this endeavor he apparently found the
16:15·foundations of this Temple and we have
16:18·four different texts concerning the
16:19·restoration of ancient temples and here
16:22·I mean ancient even to the Neo
16:24·Babylonians they come to us in the form
16:26·of three cylinder seals and one tablet
16:29·and they tell us that nabonidus restored
16:31·four different temples and according to
16:33·those records nabonidus workers were
16:35·digging in the trenches dug by
16:37·Nebuchadnezzar for 3 years expanding and
16:40·going in different directions and still
16:42·they found nothing until as luck would
16:44·have it or divine intervention in
16:46·keeping with the understanding of the
16:48·neo- Babylonian Kings a sudden rainstorm
16:51·created a channel in the earth and
16:52·nabonidus halted work in the trenches
16:55·and he ordered his workers and field
16:57·directors to dig in that spot and
16:59·apparently this is where they located
17:01·the temple to ishar now is that real
17:06·well you would be forgiven if you were
17:07·to say no because that does just sound
17:09·like either divine intervention or
17:11·really just plain dumb luck but natis
17:15·may indeed have found this Temple the
17:17·city of aad today is lost but there is
17:19·an archaeological site called the tel
17:21·Muhammad which is one of the proposed
17:23·locations for the city and excavation
17:26·there by modern-day archaeologists has
17:29·revealed a temple not of the Neo
17:30·Babylonian period but of a much older
17:33·era potentially Acadian and it contained
17:37·work credited to King nabonidus texts
17:39·were also important in this regard and
17:42·evidently the older the writing the
17:43·better a great example here is the
17:46·tablet of shamash or the tablet of the
17:48·sun god so this tablet was discovered in
17:50·the early 1880s during excavation and it
17:53·was found broken into eight different
17:55·pieces and it dates to about the 9th
17:57·century BC
17:59·associated with Nabu appla Adena king of
18:02·Babylon and there are 15 passages
18:04·written on this tablet and it tells us
18:07·essentially that somewhere on the
18:09·Western Bank of the Euphrates an image
18:12·of the God baked in clay was located
18:15·that image was recognized as being very
18:18·very old from at least the old
18:20·Babylonian period so about 1894 BC to
18:24·about 1595 BC in other words 7al hundred
18:27·years before this King managed to get a
18:29·hold of it and he used it to
18:31·reconstitute a cult of this Sun God we
18:34·can tell that this God is older than the
18:36·n9th century basically by the artwork it
18:39·doesn't match the styles of the 9th
18:40·century and because we don't live in the
18:43·9th century a way to maybe think about
18:45·this would be and the examples are not
18:47·going to be exact but it would be sort
18:49·of like having let's say an Andy Warhol
18:52·painting dating to the 1960s and you
18:54·know it's the 1960s but there's also a
18:57·figure in the painting that looks like
18:59·it came right out of a Viking runstone
19:01·from the 10th Century in Sweden it
19:04·stands out and it's very clearly older
19:08·so 200 years later nabonidus the main
19:11·subject of this portion of the video
19:13·evidently found this same tablet and
19:15·when he did there were two copies of it
19:17·that had been made and the original was
19:19·housed in a fired clay box for
19:21·safekeeping and this was encased in clay
19:24·for further protection which produced a
19:25·copy of the tablet on either side and
19:29·while neo- Babylonians were certainly
19:30·interested in the history of the ancient
19:32·near East and while they did undertake
19:34·archaeological digs to excavate the past
19:37·and to use old artifacts and images like
19:40·the image of shamash to bolster their
19:42·claims through Imperial rulership they
19:44·were certainly not above forgeries in
19:46·the pursuit of that attempt to bolster
19:48·their claims the key artifact here is
·The crucifer Monument
19:51·the crucifer Monument of Manis tushu
19:54·discovered in 1881 and this is an
19:56·inscribed stone whose writing attempts
19:58·to established the artifact as being a
20:00·Cadian but which was actually shown to
20:03·be a Neo Babylonian forgery although at
20:05·one point it was thought to be an old
20:07·Babylonian
20:09·forgery it claimed to be created at the
20:12·beest of Manish tushu the son of Saron
20:14·ofad and it declares that the renewal of
20:17·the worship of the God shamash and His
20:19·Associated rights should take place but
20:22·it in fact is not what matters though is
20:26·that it shows very clearly that the
20:28·textual record mattered to people like
20:30·nabonidus and the Neo Babylonian Kings
20:33·and it shows that they had some sort of
20:35·an idea about what it would have taken
20:37·to establish Imperial legitimacy by
20:39·drawing on the Deep past and on Ancient
20:41·religion and it's because of the
20:43·importance placed on religion that the
20:45·neo-babylonian Kings emphasized digging
20:47·down to the actual Foundation of ancient
20:49·temples and restoring them where
20:52·possible nebas uncovered the Temple of
20:54·istar at aad which I mentioned a few
20:56·minutes ago and which archaeology in the
20:59·modern day may have found and when he
21:02·restored the temple he made it extremely
21:04·clear that the bricks of the restored
21:07·building were to be placed on the tops
21:09·of the original foundations and to be
21:11·exactly on top it was to be as if the
21:13·temple had never fallen into ruin in the
21:15·first place NABA palasa the first king
21:18·of the neo- Babylonian Empire basically
21:20·did something similar with the walls of
21:22·Babylon itself Excavating down to the
21:25·foundations and when he located it he
21:28·took it as a Divine sign and then he
21:30·rebuilt them incorporating the original
21:32·foundations into his
21:34·construction when the Neo Babylonian
21:36·Kings did things like this they
21:38·explicitly looked for the foundation
21:40·deposits usually taking the form of a
21:42·text I am so and so I ordered this
21:45·construction that sort of thing they
21:48·apparently read them or claimed they did
21:51·claimed they could read this old writing
21:53·and they had their own Foundation
21:54·tablets made as close as possible to the
21:58·original
21:59·and place them alongside the ancient
22:00·ones and then rebuilt the structure now
22:03·this would have been extremely easy to
22:05·just demolish the ruins and start again
22:07·from scratch but the care that nabonidus
22:09·and his fellow king showed for the
22:11·ancient past is not only remarkable but
22:13·it was designed to establish themselves
22:15·as the inheritors of ancient religious
22:17·practices to venerate the same or
22:19·similar gods and thus in that sense to
22:22·claim to be the legitimate successors of
22:25·the ancient Kings now some of those
·Museum of Analdi
22:27·artifacts were gathered and they were
22:29·put on display basically for the same
22:31·purposes and this is where we get to the
22:33·famous Museum of analdi the daughter of
22:36·nabonidus and the Priestess of the Moon
22:38·God sin at the city of UR this was a
22:41·religious office which had not been
22:42·filled in over 600 years and it was
22:45·resurrected by nabonidus once again we
22:47·see the attempts of a neo- Babylonian
22:49·King to claim legitimacy by utilizing
22:51·the ancient past her museum is probably
22:54·the first one in the world or at least
22:56·it's the earliest one that we know about
22:58·with any certainty and it contained
23:00·dozens of artifacts from across southern
23:02·Mesopotamia spanning over 1,000 years
23:05·now there was another Museum in Babylon
23:08·or what we think was a museum it's been
23:10·disputed because apparently not all the
23:12·artifacts came from the same area of the
23:14·dig site that was attributed to King
23:17·nabonidus and may have been used by
23:19·earlier Kings like Nebuchadnezzar II if
23:22·that's indeed what the structure was
23:24·temples also functioned in this manner
23:26·and many of the artifacts that have been
23:28·brought up in this video The cruciform
23:30·Monument the sun tablet as well as
23:32·inscribed a Cadian maces and bowls from
23:34·the uro period basically the first city
23:37·in the ancient near East and which were
23:38·repaired at some point in Antiquity
23:40·apparently were found by archaeologists
23:42·in the 1880s at a Neo Babylonian Temple
23:45·dedicated to the god shamash in the city
23:48·of Sapar essentially this functioned as
23:50·a museum so just a couple examples to
23:52·try and answer this question did ancient
23:54·civilizations have ancient civilizations
23:57·of Their Own yes they did but their
24:01·understanding of what those
24:01·civilizations actually were very often
24:04·were not accurate so that's it for this
24:06·one everybody if you want to do some
24:08·more reading about this subject and
24:09·really go on a deep dive the sources
24:11·I've used for the research in this video
24:13·are going to be listed in the
24:14·description and they are an excellent
24:16·jumping off point take care everybody if
24:19·you're dealing with the hurricanes in
24:20·the south of the US please stay safe
24:23·hope you enjoyed and I will see you all
24:25·next time

1 posted on 07/21/2025 9:27:14 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...
If you have time to post a complaint about the lack of transcript, or about a transcript that is present, A) you have time to watch one, some, or all of these; B) you could do what I often do, start the video and listen while online in a different room of the house; and C) no one has any interest on whether you have time, don't have time, watch it, or don't watch it, so do everyone a favor and shaddup about it.

2 posted on 07/21/2025 9:33:21 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (The moron troll Ted Holden believes that humans originated on Ganymede.)
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To: SunkenCiv

3 posted on 07/21/2025 9:34:31 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: SunkenCiv

Confucius, who lived in 500 BC, also looked to ancient civilizations of the past

Analects 3.14 “The Zhou dynasty looked to the two preceding dynasties [Xia and Shang]. How rich and beautiful is its culture! I follow Zhou.”

In Analects 7.5, he laments the decline of these values: “How I long for the days of old, when the people were simple and honest!”


4 posted on 07/21/2025 9:42:48 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: PGR88

Thus it was, thus it will always be.

“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”
—Socrates

“What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions. Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?”
–-Plato

“I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words… When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise [disrespectful] and impatient of restraint”.
—Hesoid 8BC

“We live in a decaying age. Young people no longer respect their parents. They are rude and impatient. They frequently inhabit taverns and have no self control” Inscription on a 6,000 year old Egyptian tomb


5 posted on 07/21/2025 9:59:05 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Repeal the Patriot Act; Abolish the DHS; reform FBI top to bottom!)
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To: SunkenCiv
Summary by Claude.ai (which has a way with words):

This YouTube video explores whether ancient civilizations had concepts of their own "ancient civilizations," examining how past cultures understood deep history.

Key Points:

Greek Understanding of the Past

The Case of the 10,000 and Lost Assyria

Neo-Babylonian Archaeology

Conclusion

Ancient civilizations did have concepts of their own ancient past, but their understanding was often inaccurate, mythologized, or shaped by contemporary political and religious needs. The Neo-Babylonians represent perhaps the most sophisticated example of ancient peoples actively investigating and preserving their deep past.
6 posted on 07/21/2025 10:09:23 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (The pandemic we suffer from is not COVID. It is Marxist Democrat Leftism. )
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To: SunkenCiv
The Celts & Druids regarded Stonehenge as ancient.

I think there have been many civilizations that rose and fell of which we will never know. I also believe that our civilization is going to join them.

7 posted on 07/21/2025 10:16:40 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: UnwashedPeasant; SunkenCiv

Thanks for this.


8 posted on 07/21/2025 10:27:18 AM PDT by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domini! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Every culture has its flood myths.

Noah certainly didn’t build the arc by himself. He was a King or a religious leader who could command thousands of workers.

The flood story is really a store about a Near extinction level event where mankind barely survived.

Interesting the bible ends with the book of revelation which is also a Near extinction level event.

Modern humans have been around for ~ 300k years and Neanderthals ~450k.

We know so little about the past and much of what we think we know is probably wrong.


9 posted on 07/21/2025 11:04:05 AM PDT by crusher2013
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To: crusher2013
Every culture has its flood myths.

Noah certainly didn’t build the arc by himself. He was a King or a religious leader who could command thousands of workers.

Can't take Noah's story literally. You have to look at it as a theological allegory with a deeper spiritual meaning. The only thing we know that is true is the flood story because every civilization (in the known world) had to deal with a "great flood".

10 posted on 07/21/2025 11:10:25 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

What we actually know about ancient civilizations can be determined by the Biblee. Anything before that, it seems there is a lot of guesswork being done.


11 posted on 07/21/2025 11:17:07 AM PDT by oldtech
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To: Alas Babylon!
Like G.I (Greatest) Generation whining about Boomers, and Boomers whining about Millennials. In 15 years, we will hear about Millennials whining about the Alpha Generation.
12 posted on 07/21/2025 11:21:11 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Wallace T.
It's turtles all the way down.

13 posted on 07/21/2025 11:34:41 AM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie ( O give thanks unto the Lord, for He is gracious, and his mercy endures forever. — Psalm 106)
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To: SunkenCiv

Zep Tepi


14 posted on 07/21/2025 11:36:29 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: MinorityRepublican

“Can’t take Noah’s story literally.”

I don’t.

What I take away from the story is that their was a massive world wide flood and a near extinction event. It also implies that their was some form of civilization that was wiped out.

The comet research group has been investigating a potential comet impact ~ 12k years ago. Gramm Hancock has grifted off their work but buy are legitimate scientists.


15 posted on 07/21/2025 2:33:22 PM PDT by crusher2013
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To: MinorityRepublican
Can't take Noah's story literally.

"Riiiiight!"
16 posted on 07/21/2025 2:38:18 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

“How long can you tread water?”


17 posted on 07/21/2025 2:39:07 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: crusher2013
What I take away from the story is that their was a massive world wide flood and a near extinction event. It also implies that their was some form of civilization that was wiped out.

If I'm an archeologist, I would be interested in what happened specifically in the Fertile Crescent, Egypt and Indus Valley.

There must be a weather pattern happening just as civilizations started to emerge that nearly wiped them out.

Monsoons would make sense.

18 posted on 07/21/2025 2:40:40 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: UnwashedPeasant; PGR88; PIF; crusher2013

Thanks!


19 posted on 07/21/2025 5:31:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The moron troll Ted Holden believes that humans originated on Ganymede.)
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To: fidelis
My pleasure.

20 posted on 07/21/2025 5:31:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The moron troll Ted Holden believes that humans originated on Ganymede.)
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