Posted on 06/27/2025 2:09:42 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
Russian President Vladimir Putin said Friday that the country was dismissed regarding its concern about NATO expansion.
"We emphasized that the security of one nation or a group of nations cannot come at the expense of another's security. This principle is enshrined in international agreements that all parties have ratified," Putin said.
"Yet, in practice, what transpired?" Putin continued. "One NATO expansion after another. We were consistently reassured, 'there's nothing to fear; it doesn't pose a threat to you.' When we expressed our concerns, asserting that we believed it did threaten us, what was the response? Nothing at all. We were simply told, in no uncertain terms, where to go with our opinions. No one bothered to listen or consider our perspective."
Putin said Russia will determine where threats come from.
"We know better what threatens us and what does not. It is our right to determine the degree of our security and the level of threats that may approach us from one side or the other," Putin said.
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If true, the Putin is a fool to give it to them. No, the only one who wanted this war is Putin.
They were not Russia's nukes. They belonged to the Soviet Union. When the Soviet Union collapsed Ukraine had as much right to the nukes that were abandoned on their soil as the Russian Federation had of those on theirs. Quit making stuff up.
What you conveniently leave out is that NATO expansion was driven by eastern European nations seeking its protection from a hostile Russia, not by an aggressively expansionist policy by NATO. Also missing from your analysis is that the Europeans had allowed their militaries to atrophy to the point that they were not a credible threat to Russia. It was this weakness on the part of NATO that encouraged Putin to seize Ukraine, a goal that he had independent of any actions from the west.
The Ukies couldn’t maintain them and didn’t have the codes, Ukie stooge.
Putin was entertained at the NATO top table between 2001 and 2008, as an honored guest, and it was even at one of those meetings where he was being undeservedly schmoozed, that he banged on about NATO expansion as if the Cold War was still on.
He should’ve been given the same hairdryer treatment as Zelensky got in the White House, but instead we had to tolerate another 14 years of “yeah, he’s being a total ass but DON’T POKE THE BEAR”... Leading to zero criticism of his bullshit, leading to his completely paranoid fantasy being given a sliver of credibility.
I swear, people who actually still parrot that line should have their dumbass mouths washed out with soap before being dragged off for a cognitive decline test.
It’s as retarded as saying North Korea has a legitimate beef when North Korea is only a basket case because the Kim regime insists on living in a total disinformation bubble.
And yet they didn’t trust Moscow enough to hand those nukes over without compelling assurances that Russia wouldn’t attack them.
Think on it. A founding Soviet Union member state actually sought assurances from two Soviet enemies, UK and USA, alongside Russia’s, because despite multiple proclamations of enduring friendship, they STILL felt unable to trust Russia.
And even China has added its signature to the list, presumably because it doesn’t trust Russia’s intentions in Ukraine either.
Basically, people like you are a lunatic fringe, siding with the likes of North Korea and Russia, swallowing lies from Moscow that even China doesn’t buy.
Go lick the sandals of your new Musloid overlords, Brit Boy.
Stand aside as the Asian groomers have their way with your English little girls.
We’ll have to agree to disagree on that. From my point of view the deep state wants this war so bad they’re funding it.
Those fingernails are tactical.
:P
What nonsense. The Ukrainians were deeply involved in the Soviet nuclear program. As for the codes, they had physical possession of the warheads. All they would have had to do was change out the mother boards. In any case, Russia pledged to honor Ukraine's borders.
Then why didn’t they do it, stoogeboy? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
Sounds like more Ukiestooge nonsense to me.
Because they were poor and were pressured/bribed to get rid of them. They also thought that they had sufficient guarantees that they would not need them. Keep in mind that Ukraine runs a number of nuclear power plants. They had the capacity of maintaining their nukes.
Chernobyl.
Chernobyl was run by the Soviets, which included the Russians. Is it really your position that the North Koreans can maintain their nuclear stockpile but that the Ukrainians, who were an integral part of of the Soviet nuclear program and who now run a number of nuclear power plants, cannot?
“What you conveniently leave out is that NATO expansion was driven by eastern European nations seeking its protection from a hostile Russia,...”
By 1991 that was not an issue, and for fully 15 years afterward, the new-minted Russian Federation had their hands FULL with predominantly internal bureaucratic and economic issues of SUCH severity that there was appreciable pressure within the country to abandon the entire effort and go back to the old Soviet system. There was exactly NO time to look outside the RF and threaten anybody.
WHICH IS WHY “...the Europeans had allowed their militaries to atrophy to the point that they were not a credible threat to Russia.”
By the early oughts, however, finally getting on top of their economic issues, and now feeling the sting of ongoing Western rejection despite having jettisoned the old Soviet regime, the Russian Federation had every reason to begin to feel threatened by NATO encroachment into Eastern Europe. And why would they not? Who can blame them? They did everything the West had desired that they do for 70 years, and what did the Ẅest give them in return?
Jack shit. THAT’S what.
Why? Deep State NeoCons. THAT’S why.
So, no surprise, then, that in the face of talk about bringing Ukraine into NATO, concurrent with ethnic unrest targeting Russian people living as citizens of Ukraine, after Kiev turned away and utterly failed at any meaningful resolution to the civic unrest, and registered interest in being part of NATO, Putin felt that Russia had some moral obligation to intervene in the ethnic issue, and now could hear the clock ticking away the hours until the admission of Ukraine into NATO. Getting absolutely NOTHING productive out of a flaccid Biden Administration, and nothing productive out of the man-child of Kiev, how was Putin to construe the situation as anything other than a call to unilateral action?
So it was, in part, “...this weakness on the part of NATO that encouraged Putin,” but not “to seize Ukraine,” as you mistakenly suppose. Absorbing Ukraine into the Russian Federation wasn’t ever going to happen, no matter what pipe dreams NeoCons promulgated among the pearl clutchers in the West. The ongoing disagreement over Crimea was not a precursor to an RF takeover of the entirety of Ukraine.
The Russian Federation would be HAPPY to live and trade productively alongside a thriving, independent Ukraine. Had Kiev not turned a blind eye to its ethnic Russian citizens in the Donbas, but dealt firmly and meaningfully with that issue, I think Putin would have been fine continuing to haggle about Crimeaas a separate issue.
NOW, of course...? No chance; the price of peace has gone WAY, WAY UP. God only knows what it will take, now, but absolutely we can 100% hang the albatross on the necks of our infernal domestic NeoCon contingent.
Jack shit. THAT’S what.
Russia got dissed by the West so they were justified in invading another country, is that your position?
So, no surprise, then, that in the face of talk about bringing Ukraine into NATO, concurrent with ethnic unrest targeting Russian people living as citizens of Ukraine, after Kiev turned away and utterly failed at any meaningful resolution to the civic unrest, and registered interest in being part of NATO, Putin felt that Russia had some moral obligation to intervene in the ethnic issue, and now could hear the clock ticking away the hours until the admission of Ukraine into NATO.
Contrary to the Russian propaganda that you are repeating, there was no targeting of ethnic Russians in Ukraine. As for intervening in the ethnic issue, Putin did that in 2014 when in used ethnic Russian surrogates to start the ethnic conflict.
Absorbing Ukraine into the Russian Federation wasn’t ever going to happen, no matter what pipe dreams NeoCons promulgated among the pearl clutchers in the West.
It seems that you are not familiar with Russian literature on the subject, or of Putin's remarks just last week in which he claimed that all of Ukraine was Russia's. The absorption of Ukraine is indeed the goal of this war, as can be seen in the peace terms that Russia has been demanding from the beginning. To deny this is either to be naïve or dishonest.
NOW, of course...? No chance; the price of peace has gone WAY, WAY UP. God only knows what it will take, now, but absolutely we can 100% hang the albatross on the necks of our infernal domestic NeoCon contingent.
On the contrary, Putin's demands from the very beginning entailed the complete subjugation of Ukraine. This was not the result of the price of peace going up because of Russian casualties. Putin could have had a NATO free Ukraine from the beginning, but he turned down Zelensky's offer because he was after more; he was after all of Ukraine.
You seems to have great difficulty spaying pressure to do a thing from accruing upon that pressure.
I explained the NeoCon-driven, post-Soviet exclusion of the Russian Federation, and the several pressure arising from it.
Nowhere did I say acting on those pressures was justified.
Try harder not to act like CNN; say what I said, not what I didn’t.
And if you’re going to contend that the ethnic issues in Ukraine were orchestrated out of Moscow, post substantive links.
Because everything I’ve already explained can be construed as NeoCon manipulation of the Russian Federation to orchestrate all that has come to pass, in order to both continue to uphold their demented “once a Soviet, never not a Soviet” meme, and continue to support American funding of, and providing of military hardware for, the war in Ukraine.
The ongoing stiff-arm of the RF at the behest of NeoCon foreign policy wonks kept them in position to be used as a reason for NATO expansion. Was the RF hostile, or had NeoCon mistreatment made them salty? Chicken? Egg? NeoCons never cared, because they knew mainstream media were too distracted by the now to ever expose the reality.
But I saw.
I saw the wall come down.
I saw the hope for a share in Western prosperity rise in the east.
And I saw the NeoCon machine leap into action to put cold water all over it.
“Once a Soviet, never NOT a Soviet!”
Mistrust of the Russian Federation was the order of the day, and never wouldn’t be.
What that would justify all of our military spending if we ever let Russians become our friends, or treating partners, a Most Favored Nation?
I’ll tell you what: NeoCon fortunes would topple into ruin.
And that is ALL you need to know about the political dynamics driving the rhetoric about Moscow: its a NeoCon psyop from one end to the other, engineered to keep squeezing war funding or of Mr. and Mrs. Main Street America.
You wanna save the fekkin world?
Put every damned NeoCon up against a wall with a blindfold and a Marlboro Red.
That’d get you well past halfway to peace around the globe.
Until Russia's invasion in 2014 we had good relations with Russia. They soured after Russia's attack on Ukraine.
And if you’re going to contend that the ethnic issues in Ukraine were orchestrated out of Moscow, post substantive links.
Rather, you provide the links that show there were ethnic tensions before Russia's 2014 invasion. Even afterwards, private polls in 2020 and 2022 showed that the residents of Donbas preferred union with Ukraine, not with Russia.
Because everything I’ve already explained can be construed as NeoCon manipulation of the Russian Federation to orchestrate all that has come to pass, in order to both continue to uphold their demented “once a Soviet, never not a Soviet” meme, and continue to support American funding of, and providing of military hardware for, the war in Ukraine.
Construed by someone who has an a priori conviction that that is the reason. The general American public has supported Ukraine since the Russian invasion. One needs no other reason than the desire to support Ukraine against a Russian invasion. There is no need to assume a hidden NeoCon agenda.
The ongoing stiff-arm of the RF at the behest of NeoCon foreign policy wonks kept them in position to be used as a reason for NATO expansion. Was the RF hostile, or had NeoCon mistreatment made them salty? Chicken? Egg?
I suggest that you read the Russian literature on their views on Ukraine. Russian nationalists, including Putin, have long sought to reintegrate Ukraine into Russia. It is a fantasy to think that Russia is purely acting in reaction to western provocations and in self-defense.
Mistrust of the Russian Federation was the order of the day, and never wouldn’t be. What that would justify all of our military spending if we ever let Russians become our friends, or treating partners, a Most Favored Nation?
You have the order of events reversed. Russia was a friendly trading partner up until its 2014 invasion. Russia brought on the sanctions by their own actions. Nor was Russia's Most Favored Nation status evoked until 2022.
I’ll tell you what: NeoCon fortunes would topple into ruin.
And there you have the proof that it is you who have turned this into a proxy war, as a way to use Russia to defeat your hated NeoCons, the freedom of the Ukrainians be damned.
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