This is Kyiv. The indiscriminate killing of women and children at night in their homes is a clear violation of the 1977 Geneva Peace Protocols designed to protect innocents. These attacks are shameful. Stop the killing. Ceasefire now.
Posted on 05/30/2025 5:10:31 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
U.S. President Donald Trump's envoy to Ukraine, Keith Kellogg, said Russia's concern over the eastward enlargement of NATO was fair and the United States did not want to see Ukraine in the U.S.-led military alliance.
Asked by U.S. network ABC News about a Reuters report that Russia wanted a written pledge over NATO not enlarging eastwards to include Ukraine and other former Soviet republics, Kellogg said: "It's a fair concern."
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Kellogg said the sequencing of the peace talks would include an attempt to merge the two memorandums drafted by Ukraine and Russia into one single document with talks in Turkey on Monday.
"When we get into Istanbul next week we'll sit down and talk," Kellogg said, adding that the national security advisers from Germany, France and Britain would join discussions on the memorandum with the United States.
Kellogg said Trump was "frustrated" with Russia because he had seen "a level of unreasonableness" from Russian President Vladimir Putin. He scolded Russia for striking Ukrainian cities and said he had told Ukraine to turn up to talks.
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“So far Putin is not willing to make a deal.”
He’s perfectly willing to make a deal, it’s just that the deal means the Neocons will lose.
US leverage over Putin is economic, basically the price of oil. My understanding the pain hits hard at $50 or lower. We’re around $60 now.
Hmmm, wonder if Trump’s recent mideast diplomatic push is setting the stage for a production increase to drive the price down?
It'll hurt us too. If you drill shale oil, you won't like it at that price.
Never split the difference...
Generally, lower oil prices are better. Maybe not for the shale oil producers, but that’s the risk for any commodity in that there is a price of production.
Are you a paid Ukraine propoganda troll?
Sure he did, but that was before the Neocons had Ukraine
More lies. Putin's demands now are Ukraine must surrender, by limiting its military and being neutral, thereby having no protection from the next Russian invasion.
In 2022 before Putin invaded, his demands were the same. So no, there is zero willingness of Putin to meet the US or Ukraine halfway.
Russia did not want peace, only the capitulation of Ukraine. Jakub Kumoch, former Secretary of State of Polish President Andrzej Duda, who accompanied the Ukrainian delegation to negotiations with Russia in Belarus and Turkey in the spring of 2022, told the newspaper The Polish Times.
"Let us call it mildly: singularly. It was a draft with the comments of both sides. The document was clearly prepared before the Russian invasion and by the Russians. He provided, among other things, the recognition of the annexation of Crimea, the so-called independence of the eastern regions of Ukraine, the reduction of the size of the Ukrainian army, bilingualism, the ban on joining NATO, perpetual neutrality, etc. There were also purely demeaning elements, such as a commitment to denazification or the introduction of the Great Patriotic War, as the Russians call their contribution to World War II. Things that A State never imposes on State B. Meanwhile, Russia has brought in the entire list of laws that Ukraine is to change. It began with the Constitution."
https://i.pl/jakub-kumoch-ujawnia-kulisy-negocjacji-rosja-nie-chciala-pokoju-tylko-kapitulacji-ukrainy/ar/c1p2-26324503
i don’t know about that one, but it seems perfectly obvious to assume there are such people here. there are articles about them going back a few years.
you see them (different ones) on other geopolitical hotspots/wars also here now.
that said, some may simply be single-topic posters that reactivated old accounts after years when the ukraine war started.
FR has no ignore function and is likely never to.
these types eventually show up and flood any war discussion forum.
This is Kyiv. The indiscriminate killing of women and children at night in their homes is a clear violation of the 1977 Geneva Peace Protocols designed to protect innocents. These attacks are shameful. Stop the killing. Ceasefire now.
No, are you a Russian one?
Keith Kellogg, said Russia’s concern over the eastward enlargement of NATO was fair and the United States did not want to see Ukraine in the U.S.-led military alliance.
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Kellogg, taking more steps into the Russian fantasy world.
NATO Partners for Peace
including Russia and Belarus (suspended):
BobL #2: "The bigger step will be CONVINCING Russia that our new position of not offering NATO to Ukraine will not be reversed with the next administration, if not sooner.
There are ways to do that, but the Neocons and our European Puppets will not like it."
jumper #4: "Even the old cold warrior knows we pushed too far with NATO expansion.
The real nugget is the US and four NATO members will vote against Ukraine membership... takes 30 of 30."
Engraved-on-His-hands #3: "Can we also get a written pledge that Russia will not advance westward?"
jumper #5: "Trumps Great Power Spheres of Influence cover your question."
In 1994, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus and other former Soviet countries joined NATO's Partnership for Peace (PfP).
At the time PfP was considered both an alternative to NATO membership and a stepping-stone towards full membership.
From 1991 until 2014, Russia maintained good relations with NATO, including the 1997 NATO-Russia Founding Act and 2002 NATO-Russia Council.
During this time, Russia participated in annual NATO military exercises and served in NATO peacekeeping missions, as did Ukraine.
During the period of good NATO-Russia relations, twelve countries went from Partners-for-Peace to full membership:
By 2008 things had changed drastically, and Pres. Bush's support for Georgia & Ukraine NATO membership contributed to Putin's decisions to invade both Georgia (2008) and Ukraine (2014) -- thus creating territorial disputes which made NATO membership for those countries impossible.
Since 2008 the US has supported "eventual" Ukraine NATO full membership, but NATO rules make such membership impossible so long as there are territorial disputes with Russia.
In the meantime, Ukraine remains a NATO Partner for Peace and for nearly all practical purposes, a NATO member country, in the sense that NATO is doing everything it can to support Ukraine "for as long as it takes" to make a peace agreement with Russia.
Finally on the matter of "Great Power Spheres of Influence", those are academic words that Pres. Trump himself has never spoken.
Yes, professors in Universities can lecture on "Great Power Spheres of Influence", but Trump has not, ever.
What Trump does say, constantly and consistently, is that he wants to make deals & agreements -- bilateral & multilateral -- which always put America first and advantage Americans over other countries, with the goal of achieving Peace Through Strength.
Whether Trump's efforts result in "Great Power Spheres of Influence" is for University professors to decide, they are not Trump's stated intentions.
Spheres of Influence -- not 100% accurate:
Rather, the only deal that Putin is willing to make is one in which Ukraine ceases to exist, but that is a price that you are willing to pay to achieve a victory in your imaginary proxy war against the Neocons. In truth, a Russian victory would do nothing to advance opposition to the Neocons.
Spoksen in mindset of a globalist NATO-Con.
Trump is your decision maker and he is unilaterally moving the world into Great Power Spheres!
I agree.
"Ukraine is a sovereign state and has the right to choose the path to ensure its own security.Putin's 2002 words were not those of a Russia violently opposed to NATO expansion.
I don’t see anything unusual here in principle.
Or something that would spoil the relations between…
Or could possibly spoil relations between Russia and Ukraine.”
- Vladimir Putin at NATO Summit Meeting in Rome, Italy (May 28, 2002)
I was unaware of that quote. Well, that puts the lie to the oft claimed justification for Russia's invasion.
“Rather, the only deal that Putin is willing to make is one in which Ukraine ceases to exist”
Actually that’s the alternative to making a deal, as the Neocons will learn as they get SPANKED.
You may be willing to sacrifice Ukrainian liberty to advance your own proxy war, but the Ukrainians are not. This war will not stop if the US were to unfortunately withdraw its aid. Nor would it stop even if Russia were able to take Kyiv. They would just win themselves a prolonged insurgency. The idea that Russia could re-assimilate Ukraine in a pipe dream; it is not going to happen. Putin and his Russian nationalists have to come to term with the fact that Ukraine is an independent country.
“Putin and his Russian nationalists have to come to term with the fact that Ukraine is an independent country.”
They did for 14 YEARS - but not enough to satisfy the Neocons, so they made Ukraine their Puppet State. It’s now hard to imagine that Ukraine will be anything beyond a footnote in the history books, and all because the Neocons WOULD NOT stay out.
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