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RAND PAUL on Fox News Sunday
X / Fox News ^ | May 25 | Shannon Bream

Posted on 05/25/2025 7:54:17 AM PDT by RandFan

@RandPaul

Only in Washington does a “budget” mean spending more.

[Video linked in Tweet]

Paraphrasing/Notes:

I supported the tax cuts. I support making them permanent

I support spending cuts even though they're wimpy [in the bill].

The problem is the math doesn't add up.

They're exploding the debt...

The deficit will be $2.2 trillion. We used to say that's Biden spending, Biden-omics.

There has to be someone left in Washington that says debts and deficits are Wrong.

This is just not a serious proposal.

Regarding the 'free' stuff (Medicare, Medicaid and SNAP), we're borrowing the money, which means more inflation.

There is no free stuff because it means inflation. It's a bait and switch, it's no good... The deficit is the biggest threat to our country.

I get criticized but I'm the one ringing the alarm bell here: THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYHING! We have the majority but there's No recission package (of DOGE cuts), no cuts, nothing for conservatives!

RE: Tulsi Gabbard put on terror watch list: This is offensive to every civil liberty in this country. I will get to the bottom of this. This is a real problem and I think they might be monitoring more members of congress or ex-members of congress.

I want to find out who came up with this idea to put Tulsi Gabbard on a terror list and they need to be [fired]

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To: Brian Griffin
Good idea.

Also there could be a renter's 'FICO' style score - where rents can be adjusted by percentage based on 'renter's good will' score

If a renter has trashed a number of apartments they might pay 20% more in rent for the same place until they get 'their score' up.

One, it protects the 'landlord' and two it's a real life natural response to bad renters that allows them to overcome earlier bad choices. THAT alone would help housing. Throw out the scolding, guild trips, victim-hood crapola and add common sense incentives...

Your 'renters score' affects what you pay to rent an apartment. THIS CAN BE DONE -- IT WILL INCREASE THE HOUSING SUPPLY.

Again, great idea... thanks.

61 posted on 05/25/2025 11:29:06 AM PDT by GOPJ (Next liberal scam to steal voter sanity will be based on loneliness, control of the young & lies.)
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To: GOPJ
He’s not a team player - Rand thinks he’s been elected President and HE gets to make the calls. What a jerk.

You are assuming that everybody who voted for Trump did so because they agree with his position on every issue. That clearly is not the case.

I voted for Trump as the lesser of two evils, and hoped that conservatives in Congress would act as a break on Trump's populist, deficit-busting plans.

You obviously don't agree with that, but the point is you simply can't assume that the fact that Trump was elected president means that everybody who voted for him supports everything he wants to do, and believes Congress should just roll over and give him whatever he wants.

62 posted on 05/25/2025 11:42:34 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin ( )
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To: JayGalt
The point is that concentrating on the deficit will not fix the problem. If we don’t return industry and reduce the cost of doing business, reducing the deficit will just circle the drain more slowly.

How do things like not zeroing out benefits for illegals, reducing Medicaid payments, etc., help bring back industry to the U.S.?

Also, while the idea of bringing industry back to the US has merit, it simply cannot be done overnight because the capital funding, tooling, and everything else takes time. A ballooning deficit, plus high inflation and/or interest rates, is going to make it even harder for domestic manufacturers to ramp up and fill the gaps caused by tariffs on imports.

63 posted on 05/25/2025 11:47:40 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin ( )
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To: RandFan

Vying with Lindsey Graham and Chuck Schumer to see how many Sunday shows they can get on.


64 posted on 05/25/2025 11:48:45 AM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

OK. Your 1st point is not applicable.
How do things like not zeroing out benefits for illegals, reducing Medicaid payments, etc., help bring back industry to the U.S.?
No one suggested that these initiatives are not positive or that they have anything to do with returning business to the USA either if enacted or not enacted.

Your 2nd point is also besides the mark
Also, while the idea of bringing industry back to the US has merit, it simply cannot be done overnight because the capital funding, tooling, and everything else takes time. A ballooning deficit, plus high inflation and/or interest rates, is going to make it even harder for domestic manufacturers to ramp up and fill the gaps caused by tariffs on imports.
No one is suggesting that bringing back business is an overnigt solution. There are no overnight solutions.

Much of the ~$10 trillion investment coming in due to Trump will be operative in 1-2 years.

We don’t have a high inflation since Biden left. The CBO & left are trying to hang crepe to damage Trump but costs are down. Interest rates will come down in the next 6 months as the tariff deals materialize and uncertainty resolves.
I don’t share your pessimism on the domestic market especially with 100% capital expensing.

BBB Renews 100 percent immediate expensing for equipment and machinery, 100 percent immediate expensing for research & development in the U.S., and increased deductions for interest expenses, and supports the expansion of new production factories and growing operations in America by allowing 100 percent expensing for new...

100% Capital Expensing, also known as full expensing or 100% bonus depreciation, is a tax policy that allows businesses to immediately deduct the full cost of qualifying capital investments, such as machinery, equipment, and certain improvements to real estate, in the year the asset is placed in service. This differs from traditional depreciation, where the cost is deducted over several years based on the asset’s useful life.

https://waysandmeans.house.gov/2025/05/22/passed-the-one-big-beautiful-bill-moves-one-step-closer-to-president-trumps-desk/


65 posted on 05/25/2025 12:04:10 PM PDT by JayGalt (Fight! Fight! Fight!)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

I have NO PROBLEM with Republicans disagreeing with each other I have a problem with the ‘McCain’ style of disagreeing - which includes being a darling of the MSM for trashing fellow Republicans to the betterment of democrats... What we’re talking about here is a real Bill that’s up for a vote. Not a legitimate town hall style ‘put it all on the table’ free for all... which we need more of...

This is not the time to go on CNN - (giving a gift to Democrats and their butt boys in the press).

Who does these turn coats think they’re recruiting to their side by going on CNN>? You think lots of Republicans are watching CNN? MSNBC is already playing clips. Reagan said the easiest way to get press coverage is for a Republican to trash a fellow Republican. YOU think Rand and Sen Johnson (R - Wisconsin) are unaware of that fact? LOL - gimme a break. You can switch on MSNBC and see their faces.

You felt Trump was the lesser of two evils when you considered his opponent had many signs of early dementia? AND was totally incapable of running the country? I wouldn’t put Biden in charge of running a 7/11 or Walmart or Apple no less the United States of America with our power and nukes. And YOU thought it was close? Yikes.

I’m assuming you knew or hoped that Biden would be a figurehead at best and that a vote for him would be a vote for a secret cabal to run the county, right? You weren’t serious about electing someone with mental problems to run the country - right? Or did I read what you said wrong?


66 posted on 05/25/2025 12:05:29 PM PDT by GOPJ (Next liberal scam to steal voter sanity will be based on loneliness, control of the young & lies.)
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To: RandFan

Say Rand ... aren’t you a member of Congre$$ who controls the purse ? Why hasn’t Congre$$ acted before now ... especially since Biden seemed to be holding the purse and spending like crazy for 4 years.


67 posted on 05/25/2025 12:11:09 PM PDT by antidemoncrat (In a way ge is right as)
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To: Vermont Lt

you don’t grow the economy, then no matter how many spending cuts, were done. Grow, then cut. You cant cut then grow


68 posted on 05/25/2025 12:18:29 PM PDT by hollywood12345 (. )
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To: GOPJ
I have NO PROBLEM with Republicans disagreeing with each other I have a problem with the ‘McCain’ style of disagreeing....

McCain disagreed by taking the less conservative position - like when he sank efforts to repeal Obamacare. Rand and others are disagreeing by taking the more conservative position.

That's the difference.

You felt Trump was the lesser of two evils when you considered his opponent had many signs of early dementia? AND was totally incapable of running the country? I wouldn’t put Biden in charge of running a 7/11 or Walmart or Apple no less the United States of America with our power and nukes.

Actually, Trump's opponent wasn't Biden, it was Harris. Who, despite being an idiot, did not have dementia. But regardless of dementia or a lack of intelligence, the progressive policies of Biden and Harris made them flatly unacceptable to me. There were things I didn't like about Trump, but he was a lot better than they were.

And YOU thought it was close? Yikes.

Try reading again, pal. I never said it was close.

69 posted on 05/25/2025 1:02:44 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin ( )
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To: JayGalt
OK. Your 1st point is not applicable. How do things like not zeroing out benefits for illegals, reducing Medicaid payments, etc., help bring back industry to the U.S.? No one suggested that these initiatives are not positive or that they have anything to do with returning business to the USA either if enacted or not enacted.

Of course it is applicable. Those are the exact reason that conservatives are rebelling against this bill. My question remains - why doesn't this "big beautiful bill" get rid of those horrible programs, and keep the parts about bringing industry back to the US?

None of the rest of what you said is applicable to the point. It is easier to bring back industry to the US when we are not running massive deficits. That's what we should be doing. And that is exactly what these conservatives are advocating.

70 posted on 05/25/2025 1:07:13 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin ( )
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin; GOPJ; Owen; Starboard; Alberta's Child; Bernard; RandFan; Vermont Lt

This post by Stephen Miller clarifies a lot of common misconceptions. I hope you find it interesting.

“I’ve seen a few claims making the rounds on the Big Beautiful Bill that require correction.”

“The first is that it doesn’t “codify the DOGE cuts.” A reconciliation bill, which is a budget bill that passes with 50 votes, is limited by senate rules to “mandatory” spending only — eg Medicaid and Food Stamps. The senate rules prevent it from cutting “discretionary” spending — eg the Department of Education or federal grants. The DOGE cuts are overwhelmingly discretionary, not mandatory. The bill saves more than 1.6 TRILLION in mandatory spending, including the largest-ever welfare reform. A remarkable achievement.”

“I’ve also seen claims the bill increases the deficit. This lie is based on a CBO accounting gimmick. Income tax rates from the 2017 tax cut are set to expire in September. They were always planned to be permanent. CBO says maintaining *current* rates adds to the deficit, but by definition leaving these income tax rates unchanged cannot add one penny to the deficit. The bill’s spending cuts REDUCE the deficit against the current law baseline, which is the only correct baseline to use.”

“Another fantastically false claim is that the bill spends trillions of dollars. This is just completely invented out of whole cloth. This is not a ten year budget bill—it doesn’t “fund” almost any operations of government, which are funded in the annual budget bills (which this is not). In other words, if this bill passed, but the annual budget bill did not, there would be no government funding. Under the math that critics are using, if we passed a one paragraph reconciliation bill that cut simply 50 billion in food stamp spending, they would say the bill “added” trillions in spending and debt because they are counting ALL the projected federal spending that exists entirely outside the scope of this legislation, which is of course preposterous. The only funding in the bill is for the President’s border and defense priorities, while enacting a net spending cut of over 1.6 TRILLION dollars.”

“The bill has two fiscal components: a massive tax cut and a massive spending cut.”
https://x.com/StephenM/status/1926715409807397204


71 posted on 05/25/2025 1:10:17 PM PDT by JayGalt (Fight! Fight! Fight!)
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To: hollywood12345

The issue is that we grow, and as a result we increase revenue. Then the idiots in Congress see a new found source of spending.

We need to do A AND B. It seems we never get to B.

That takes leadership and discipline. That is something lacking in America today


72 posted on 05/25/2025 1:35:34 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Please see Stephen Miller post explaining why this is not applicable. I posted it in the thread.

I understand that you feel strongly but unless we proceed logically with the possible, intentions are irrelevant.
This sentence for example makes no sense “It is easier to bring back industry to the US when we are not running massive deficits.” The two issues are isolated with no correlation.

Also since the deficit cannot be brought down with any cuts that would be possible your conclusion is circling chairs on the Titanic. IOW lets cry the sky is falling while doing nothing.

First step growth, all possible correction of waste & fraud next, and only after growth is occurring will the deficit reduce.


73 posted on 05/25/2025 1:38:31 PM PDT by JayGalt (Fight! Fight! Fight!)
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To: Vermont Lt

To go on we need hope. Trump is a black swan, Elon and his exposure of the graft, fraud & abuse is a black swan. The possibility of forcing Congress to enact laws that will advance fiscal responsibility is materially better with the corruption in full view of Americans. We balance on aa knife edge. The tide may be turning. It is in the hand of God.


74 posted on 05/25/2025 1:42:15 PM PDT by JayGalt (Fight! Fight! Fight!)
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To: JayGalt
This sentence for example makes no sense “It is easier to bring back industry to the US when we are not running massive deficits.” The two issues are isolated with no correlation.

Wow....

Okay, when you run large deficits - and especially when we are in the territory in which we are now in fiscally - the result is either 1) inflation or 2) higher interest rates. Or both. A recent illustration of this is how Moody's downgraded U.S. credit.

Both of those conditions -- inflation and higher interest rates -- make capital investment more difficult. And large-scale capital investment is going to be required to expand domestic U.S. manufacturing. Therefore, running high deficits is going to make it harder to bring back U.S. manufacturing.

A lot of the stuff in Trump's bill amounts to payoffs for a populist campaign, which I didn't support then and do not support now. Buying votes/support with government money is what the left has done. But now, it seems to be GOP policy as well. I don't blame in the least Paul and those other Republicans who are calling this stuff out.

75 posted on 05/25/2025 1:56:11 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin ( )
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To: JayGalt
Please see Stephen Miller post explaining why this is not applicable.

I saw Miller's analytical sleight of hand -- he's taking the saving from the Medicaid cuts, projecting them out ten years, and counting all of that as savings when promoting the bill, but then saying that you can't do the exact same thing for other spending in the bill that pushes things higher.

76 posted on 05/25/2025 1:59:44 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin ( )
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

We are not going to agree and I am not going to continue to refute your assertions. Moody’s is a looking backwards assessment. It’s based on Biden’s watch. Your assertions on what causes inflation owe much to economists who have been consistently wrong.
I am going to agree to disagree here since we obviously have basic differences in viewpoint Thank you for a cordial exchange.


77 posted on 05/25/2025 2:00:38 PM PDT by JayGalt (Fight! Fight! Fight!)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Except the only spending in the bill is the wall & the golden dome which are not ten year projects. If you come to an analysis with preconceived opinions you, of necessity, twist the facts to support your conclusions.
Stephen Miller is one of the most upright, lucid and transparent people in the cabinet. To suggest he is twisting the truth is IMO despicable.


78 posted on 05/25/2025 2:06:01 PM PDT by JayGalt (Fight! Fight! Fight!)
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To: JayGalt
“I’ve seen a few claims making the rounds on the Big Beautiful Bill that require correction.” “The first is that it doesn’t “codify the DOGE cuts.” A reconciliation bill, which is a budget bill that passes with 50 votes, is limited by senate rules to “mandatory” spending only — eg Medicaid and Food Stamps. The senate rules prevent it from cutting “discretionary” spending — eg the Department of Education or federal grants. The DOGE cuts are overwhelmingly discretionary, not mandatory. The bill saves more than 1.6 TRILLION in mandatory spending, including the largest-ever welfare reform. A remarkable achievement.” “I’ve also seen claims the bill increases the deficit. This lie is based on a CBO accounting gimmick. Income tax rates from the 2017 tax cut are set to expire in September. They were always planned to be permanent. CBO says maintaining *current* rates adds to the deficit, but by definition leaving these income tax rates unchanged cannot add one penny to the deficit. The bill’s spending cuts REDUCE the deficit against the current law baseline, which is the only correct baseline to use.” “Another fantastically false claim is that the bill spends trillions of dollars. This is just completely invented out of whole cloth. This is not a ten year budget bill—it doesn’t “fund” almost any operations of government, which are funded in the annual budget bills (which this is not). In other words, if this bill passed, but the annual budget bill did not, there would be no government funding. Under the math that critics are using, if we passed a one paragraph reconciliation bill that cut simply 50 billion in food stamp spending, they would say the bill “added” trillions in spending and debt because they are counting ALL the projected federal spending that exists entirely outside the scope of this legislation, which is of course preposterous. The only funding in the bill is for the President’s border and defense priorities, while enacting a net spending cut of over 1.6 TRILLION dollars.”

Thanks Jay - and a special thanks for finding this piece by Stephen Miller.

79 posted on 05/25/2025 7:01:13 PM PDT by GOPJ (Next liberal scam to steal voter sanity will be based on loneliness, control of the young & lies.)
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To: JayGalt
The possibility of forcing Congress to enact laws that will advance fiscal responsibility is materially better with the corruption in full view of Americans. We balance on a knife edge. The tide may be turning. It is in the hand of God.

YOU get what's happening... it's a balancing act - and we have to win. Trust Trump and the good will and decency of the people who are working with him.

80 posted on 05/25/2025 7:07:21 PM PDT by GOPJ (Next liberal scam to steal voter sanity will be based on loneliness, control of the young & lies.)
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