I wrote this about 15 years ago, I've posted it before, so here it is again.
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From the time he broke into the majors in 1963 until he retired in 1986, Rose amassed 4,256 hits (1st all- time), 746 doubles (2nd all-time) and 2,165 runs (fifth all-time). He played for three World Series Champions, and was named the MVP of the 1975 Series. Those are un-godly numbers. They are the numbers of a Hall of Famer. Unfortunately, he also ignored Major League Baseball's Rule 21 (d)
Rule 21 (d) is posted on the clubhouse door in every major league stadium, and has been for years. Rose probably walked by those signs 15,000 times during his career.
Rule 21 (d), which states: d) BETTING ON BALL GAMES. Any player, umpire, or club official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has no duty to perform shall be declared ineligible for one year. Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.
It doesn't say... unless you've got 4000 hits or 700 home runs or won 300 games or have 3000 strike outs. It says ANY PLAYER....He chose to ignore the signs, he chose to bet on baseball, and he's being punished in accordance with the rule. He also chose to lie about his actions for 14 years, and even after acknowledging them, still doesn't seem to understand that his mistake wasn't failing to apologize sooner. It's that he bet on baseball in the first place. How gutless.
So it’s like the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame now? Eventually everyone will get a trophy.
wait just a tomatoe pickin minute!@ Joe biden is the original ‘shoeless Joe’ who used to walk to school barefoot, in the snow, 10 miles, uphill both ways! He and popcorn ruled the roost!
Seems like they could have done this a long time ago. Shoeless Joe Jackson’s been dead since 1951. Pete Rose just last year. I think President Trump’s comments about Pete Rose woke some people up.
Cap Anson, who more than anyone else barred blacks from the big leagues, is still in, so morality obviously doesn’t matter.
The bar has been lowered so much it’s irrelevant anyway.
Both Alex Karras and Paul Hornung were "SUSPENDED" for gambling on NFL games in 1963 while active players and both are in the NFL Hall of Fame.......
Go figure.......
So save your pathetic pout for someone who cares..........Sheesh!
Quote “ I’m all for Shoeless Joe Jackson being allowed to enter MLB Hall of Fame, but not Pete Rose.”
Whoa. Can’t see why one would be fine and the other not. Shoeless Joe took money and threw his performance in a game he actually played in. I know, I know, many say he took only a little money and didn’t alter his performance. But evidence on both sides exists.
Rose bet money on baseball games as a manager and on the teams he managed.
Rose always maintained he bet on his team to win. Still, no excuse.
Having said all that, they both did the crime and more than did the time. It’s time to put both in the Hall.
I agree Shoeless Joe deserves to be in. Ever since I saw him come through that cornfield and play ball with Kevin Costner, I have supported him for the Hall. It was great of him to show us how good he was!
Pete should be in the HOF. He was suspended from playing but he still amassed a credible record for HOF entry.
Or at least change his title to something more resepectful. I suggest "Discalced Joe Jackson".
“...... shall be declared permanently ineligible.”
Ineligible for what? One playing and betting, throwing games, etc., is a far cry from a former player who did not ever bet or throw a game while playing.
does he deserve to be in the hall of fame?
I say yes
I am not into baseball, but I heard he was a great player.
They waited till after he was dead on purpose to recognize that.
and just maybe people remember his story and not repeat his mistakes.
I’m about 90% sure that Shohei Ohtani was gambling. So in that case, Pete Rose should be in the HoF.
Hate to piss on a dead man’s grave, but you summed up Pete Rose nicely. He was an arrogant, self centered ass who thought all the rules were for other people, not for him. His records are in the books —- no one has tried to erase them. But in my humble opinion, the guy does not deserve the honor of the Hall of Fame.
MLB is nothing to me now.
This just reinforces it. Not a surprise.
Baseball.... It’s not even the same that it was when Rose played.
Since 1990, I’ve worked with many celebrity level actors, musicians, and athletes. There were three jerks I remember and Pete Rose was the biggest a-hole of them all.
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In 1921, a Chicago jury acquitted Jackson and his seven teammates of wrongdoing. Nevertheless, Kenesaw Mountain Landis, the newly appointed Commissioner of Baseball, imposed a lifetime ban on all eight players. "Regardless of the verdict of juries," Landis declared,- wiki
Curt Schilling for Baseball Hall of Fame!