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HANG OUT YOUR BANNERS: UNION VICTORY! PEACE! Surrender of General Lee and His Whole Army (4/10/1865)
New York Times - Times Machine ^ | 4/10/1865

Posted on 04/09/2025 8:13:06 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

[OFFICIAL.]

WAR DEPARTMENT, WASHINGTON April 9, 1865 -- 9 o'clock P.M.

To Maj.-Gen. Dix:

This department has received the official report of the SURRENDER, THIS DAY, OF GEN. LEE AND HIS ARMY TO LIEUT.- GEN. GRANT on the terms proposed by Gen. GRANT.

Details will be given as speedily as possible.

EDWIN M. STANTON,

Secretary of War.

HEADQUARTERS ARMIES OF THE UNITED STATES, 4:30 P.M., April 9.

Hon. Edwin M. Stanton, Secretary of War:

GEN. LEE SURRENDERED THE ARMY OF NORTHERN VIRGINIA THIS AFTERNOON, upon the terms proposed by myself. The accompanying additional correspondence will show the conditions fully.

(Signed) U.S. GRANT, Lieut-Gen'l.

SUNDAY, April 9, 1865.

GENERAL -- I received your note of this morning, on the picket line, whither I had come to meet you and ascertain definitely what terms were embraced in your proposition of yesterday with reference to the surrender of this army.

I now request an interview in accordance with the offer contained in you letter of yesterday for that purpose.

Very respectfully, your obedient servant,

R.E. LEE, General.

To Lieut.-Gen. GRANT, Commanding United States Armies.

Sunday, April 9, 1865.

Gen. R.E. Lee, Commanding Confederate States Armies.

Year note of this date is but this moment, 11:50 A.M., received.

In consequence of my having passed from the Richmond and Lynchburgh road to the Farmville and Lynchburgh road, I am at this writing about four miles West of Walter's church, and will push forward to the front for the purpose of meeting you.

Notice sent to me, on this road, where you wish the interview to take place, will meet me.

Very respectfully, your ob'd't servant,

U.S. GRANT,

Lieutenant-General.

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To: Locomotive Breath; Homer_J_Simpson
Locomotive Breath: "And today the descendants of the freed slaves are all the time having a big shoot-em-up in all the major U.S. cities.
Way to go Union!!
Maybe Johnny Reb knew something you didn’t."

Today's African American population is circa 50 million, 15% of the total population, which is the same as it was in 1860.

On the economic scales, African Americans sort out as:

  1. 16% in poverty = 8 million
  2. 30% Working Class = 15 million
  3. 45% Middle Class = 23 million
  4. 9% Upper Class = 4 million
The percentage of blacks living in poverty was 55% in 1959.

These numbers don't look so bad, but what does look bad is black children growing up in mothers-only households increased from 12% in 1950 to 54% today.

The blame for that lies on politicians who provide welfare payments to women for only so long as they remain unmarried.

21 posted on 04/10/2025 6:06:11 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: LeoWindhorse

You seem to hate the US just like the left.


22 posted on 04/10/2025 11:30:32 AM PDT by cowboyusa
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To: nathanbedford

General Lee deserves great honor as one of the greatest Anericans for working to re- unite the Nation.


23 posted on 04/10/2025 11:31:28 AM PDT by cowboyusa
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To: Locomotive Breath

Jackass


24 posted on 04/10/2025 11:32:16 AM PDT by cowboyusa
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To: icclearly

Be glad that Trump’s hero Andrew Jackso wasn’t President. Lincoln was a softy compared to him.


25 posted on 04/10/2025 11:33:28 AM PDT by cowboyusa
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To: cowboyusa

Skewered by your rapier wit. I notice you didn’t call me a liar.


26 posted on 04/10/2025 11:50:38 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: BroJoeK

Ya mean the “Great Society” didn’t turn out so great after all?


27 posted on 04/10/2025 11:51:31 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: Locomotive Breath

The greatest Supreame Court Justice ever is black and so is possible future President Byron Donald’s. You need to see Chris Rock’s skit.


28 posted on 04/10/2025 12:02:43 PM PDT by cowboyusa
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Thank you for you Long Run thread,

Do not know what battles some of my kin were in, but they collected up their surviving families and went to Texas

29 posted on 04/10/2025 12:09:11 PM PDT by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure.)
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To: Deaf Smith

” You can go to hell, but I’m going to Texas.” Davey Crocket


30 posted on 04/10/2025 12:32:30 PM PDT by cowboyusa
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To: Locomotive Breath; Homer_J_Simpson
Locomotive Breath: "Ya mean the “Great Society” didn’t turn out so great after all?"

No, it turned out "great" for its intended purpose -- guaranteeing that blacks, especially black women, never vote for Republicans again.

In exchange, Republicans earned the loyalty (more or less) of Southern white voters, so clearly, we got the better of the deal.
Still, it's not just odd, it's a crying shame, that African Americans now vote for the party of slavery!

31 posted on 04/11/2025 2:38:45 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: cowboyusa

You can always find exceptions to prove the rule. Thomas Sowell is another. Black culture derides them as being an “Uncle Tom”. Jesse Jackson once derided Obama for “acting white”.
After the very rare mass shooting, all the usual people yammer on about the “culture of gun violence” in the U.S. After taking away death by gun suicide, the vast majority of the remaining deaths by gun are young urban black gang bangers shooting each other.


32 posted on 04/11/2025 5:01:38 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: cowboyusa
Adding, did you mean this skit?

Chris Rock MLK Blvd

33 posted on 04/11/2025 5:04:28 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: icclearly; cowboyusa; nathanbedford; DiogenesLamp; x
icclearly: "Anyone truly interested in facts should read the book The Real Lincoln by Thomas J. DiLorenzo.
Lincoln was a tyrant!"

DiLorenzo makes several main arguments, all of them bogus, including:

  1. DiLorenzo claims Lincoln was a racist and white supremacist.

    This is a ridiculous argument, since Lincoln's views on slavery were more abolitionist than all but a few Southerners and at least half of Northerners.
    Further, by the end of his term (and life), Lincoln came to support full citizenship for freed slaves -- Lincoln's speech (April 11, 1865) on that claimed by John Wilkes Booth to be the motivator for assassinating Lincoln.

      Booth: "That is the last speech he will ever make"

    So, claiming that Lincoln didn't meet today's Progressive "woke" standards of anti-white racism is just ridiculous.

  2. DiLorenzo argues that Lincoln’s support for Henry Clay’s American System and the Morrill Tariff prioritized Northern industrial interests at the expense of the South.

    In fact, protective tariffs (yes, the same ones Pres. Trump imposes) were Federalist, Whig and Republican policy since the first US Tariff of 1789.
    That first tariff was intended to not only provide Federal Revenues, but also to protect US producers.

    And not just Northern producers -- tariffs also protected Southern products like cotton, tobacco & sugar.
    The 1793 Coastal Trade Act protected not only Northern shipping but also the many ships built in, and operating from, Southern ports like Baltimore, Charleston and later, New Orleans.

    US tariffs also protected Southern manufacturers, including:

    • Textile mills in North Carolina, South Carolina and New Orleans, LA.
    • Iron works at Tredegar (Richmond) VA, Cumberland (Clarkesville) TN, Birmingham AL, Charleston SC & New Orleans LA.
    • Sugar Refining in New Orleans.
    • Food processing, including flour mills, meat packing and seafood processing, in many ports, especially New Orleans.
    • Tobacco manufacturing and packaging in Virginia, North Carolina and Kentucky for both domestic and export markets.

  3. DiLorenzo argues that Lincoln started the Civil War unnecessarily, while ignoring peaceful alternatives.

    In fact, the only "peaceful alternatives" were surrenders to Confederate aggressions against the Union in, not only Forts Sumter (SC) and Pickens (FL), but also seizures of Federal forts, ships, arsenals and mints, plus violence and invasions in Union states like Maryland, Kentucky, Missouri & Kansas, along with US territories of Oklahoma, New Mexico and Arizona.
    Add to those Western Virgina and Southern California as objects of Confederate desires, and weakness in the guise of "peace" becomes a retreat and destruction of the United States in the face of Confederate power and ambitions.

    No Federalist, Whig or Republican US president would ever abandon the United States to our enemies.
    Nor would Democrats like Jefferson, Madison or Andrew Jackson, among others.

  4. DiLorenzo claims Lincoln used the Civil War as justification for centralizing Federal authority far beyond what the Constitution intends.

    In fact, the US Constitution -- and Founding Fathers' precedent -- do provide for expanded Federal powers during times of war, invasion or rebellion.
    So did the Confederate constitution, powers which Jefferson Davis employed just as vigorously, if not more so, than did Lincoln.
    Why then do those pro-Confederates who howl about "Lincoln the tyrant" not also notice "Davis the tyrant"?

  5. DiLorenzo claims Lincoln prioritized preserving the Union over negotiating with the South.

    That claim is true, though Lincoln did attempt twice to negotiate directly with Southerners over secession and war:

    • April 1861, Lincoln met with Virginia representative John B. Baldwin and offered, in effect, "a fort for a state".
      Lincoln would give up Fort Sumter if Virginia would promise to remain in the Union.
      Lincoln's offer was rejected.

    • January 1865, at Hampton Roads, VA, Lincoln & Seward met with Confederate representatives, including CSA VP Stephens, and offered them compensated emancipation.
      Lincoln's offer was rejected.

  6. DiLorenzo argues against Lincoln's denial of habeas corpus by, in effect, executive order, rather than waiting for Congress to specifically authorize him to (which Congress eventually did).

    In fact, we are now revisiting this debate under Pres. Trump, in his efforts to deport thousands (millions?) of illegal alien criminals without all the usual "due process".
    In Lincoln's case, Congress did authorize Lincoln to deny habeas corpus, and today Congress may again have to act to get the Federal courts to stop yapping at Trump's heals over deportations.
    Do those make Trump or Lincoln "tyrants"???
    Naw.


34 posted on 04/11/2025 5:43:23 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: Locomotive Breath

No, blacks vs n words.


35 posted on 04/11/2025 5:54:21 AM PDT by cowboyusa
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To: doorgunner69
Considering what the northeast has done to us since then, a tragedy it ever happened.

A lot of people simply do not grasp how much evil flows into the country from the Northeast. I have come to learn it was flowing into the country during the early part of the 19th century, and was a large part in why there was a civil war.

They did not treat the Southern states fairly. They relied on them to pay nearly 3/4ths of the taxes, and they cheated and gouged them at every opportunity by using their majorities in congress to fashion laws favorable to the Northeastern people and their industries.

36 posted on 04/11/2025 8:14:14 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Locomotive Breath
And today the descendants of the freed slaves are all the time having a big shoot-em-up in all the major U.S. cities. Way to go Union!! Maybe Johnny Reb knew something you didn’t.

You are not allowed to point this out on all major news sources. This information is censored and dismissed.

I watched a video from Thomas Sowell who pointed out that in the 1950s, black families were doing all right, and they had none of this violence and indolence we see nowadays. He blames LBJ's "great society" programs for the destruction of the black families, and I think he is absolutely right about this.

37 posted on 04/11/2025 8:17:26 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: BroJoeK
The vast majority of Americans, then and now, thought the Civil War was 100% necessary and only so long & bloody because some Confederates preferred "extermination" to surrender.

In the same manner that Stalin had a 100% approval rating. If you criticized the war, the Lincoln administration would put you in prison.

His administration even locked up Septimus Winner for "Treason" because he wrote the song "Give us back our old commander". (About General McClellan) They made him claw back every copy of the song he sold before they would let him go.

.

.

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Septimus Winner was a well known song writer of that era. He wrote hits like "Listen to the Mocking bird", "Where oh where has my little dog gone?" "Little Brown Jug", "Ten little Indians", and other music less known to modern ears.

Abraham Lincoln said of "Listen to the Mocking bird" It is as sincere as the laughter of a little girl at play.

38 posted on 04/11/2025 8:35:09 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: BroJoeK
The blame for that lies on politicians who provide welfare payments to women for only so long as they remain unmarried.

LBJ's vote buying scheme that worked perfectly.

I think we all agree on that.

39 posted on 04/11/2025 8:36:30 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: BroJoeK
DiLorenzo claims Lincoln was a racist and white supremacist.

I have never read any DiLorenzo books, but I have seen plenty enough evidence and quotes from Lincoln to come to the conclusion that he was very much a racist and a white supremacist.

Yes he was. It's not even debatable.

Of course, the vast majority of people in that era were racist white supremacists. They just were.

40 posted on 04/11/2025 8:40:25 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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