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1 posted on 03/05/2025 1:21:22 PM PST by marcusmaximus
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2 posted on 03/05/2025 1:28:36 PM PST by montag813
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This is one hell of an article.

The beginning of the article explicitly states that none of the quotes attributed to Putin here were actually said by Putin at all.

But they go ahead and write the rest of the article as if he said these things anyway.


4 posted on 03/05/2025 1:41:03 PM PST by Mount Athos
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“Vladimir Putin ‘regrets’ triggering a full-scale war costing hundreds of thousands of lives ... Lukashenko said: ‘We haven’t talked about it, but I know him well. ‘Putin didn’t expect it would turn into such a war.’”

so, apparently Putin thought he was going to be able to annex a whole nother country for free ... he thought wrong ...


5 posted on 03/05/2025 1:43:46 PM PST by catnipman ((A Vote For The Lesser Of Two Evils Still Counts As A Vote For Evil))
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LOL sWill Stewart LOL


7 posted on 03/05/2025 1:49:14 PM PST by kiryandil (No one in AZ that voted for Trump voted for Gallego )
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As Hillary! would say “what difference does it make now?”


8 posted on 03/05/2025 1:49:47 PM PST by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business )
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Putin was ready to negotiate 'on NATO, on demilitarisation, on denazification

In other words, no outside support, only a token army incapable of defending itself, the imposition of a pro-Russian government, and the suppression of pro-Ukrainian nationalism. The proper word for this "peace" is surrender.

10 posted on 03/05/2025 1:51:22 PM PST by Petrosius
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All he has to do is leave Ukrainian territory and quit firing at them.


11 posted on 03/05/2025 1:51:43 PM PST by DannyTN
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I knew who posted this beforee I even looked lol

Well no reason to stop now..not that I believe it.

He has the ukrainians where he wants them and it only makes sense to keep puonding them.

He feels SO BAD that her wrecked them yesterday with drone attacks lol


13 posted on 03/05/2025 1:58:41 PM PST by dp0622 (Tried a coup, a fake tax story, tramp slander, Russia nonsense, impeachment and a virus. They lost.)
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This was earlier in the war, in 2022, and, Lukashenko claimed, Putin was ready to negotiate 'on NATO, on demilitarisation, on denazification', as he described it, 'on not killing [Ukraine's] Russian speakers, on not cracking down on the Russian language in Ukraine'.

We'll never know. But I heard rumors that Putin was willing to retreat to the Donbass and Crimea in 2022.

Zelensky said no. He wanted Ukraine to recapture all the Russian occupied territories of Ukraine.

He should have gone for a ceasefire in 2022. He would have kept more land than now.

14 posted on 03/05/2025 1:58:45 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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Lukashenko, buttering up Putin with whole cloth lies


21 posted on 03/05/2025 2:12:08 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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It was a stupid act from day one. Putin already knew Ukraine was the kick back capital of the world. A war was the perfect opportunity for corrupt Western politicians to get rich .


25 posted on 03/05/2025 2:23:09 PM PST by Nateman (Democrats did not strive for fraud friendly voting merely to continue honest elections.)
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Lukashenko is not a reliable source for anything he says.
26 posted on 03/05/2025 2:25:52 PM PST by McGruff (Biden will go down in history as the worst president ever.)
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Here's a link to information on Lukashenko.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Lukashenko

He's an election rigging dictator who maintains a semi-soviet system of government and uses torture/sexual abuse and oppression etc.

I don't find him that credible, as Putin didn't 'trigger' the war the way his phrasing sounds, but I think he is getting at something in his comments. Lukashenko is a dictator so he doesn't have much practice choosing his words carefully - he can suppress reactions in his country to careless statements.

From the start, Putin did not want deaths, he wanted negotiations. I don't know if he realized that when our STate Department and CIA overthrew the government of Ukraine in 2014, they began laying down military fortifications for the war they were planning to provoke with Putin. So it's entirely likely he was surprised to find them so entrenched. Putin knew NATO wanted to put missiles on his border so he invaded 4 days after the Ukraine was overthrown to establish a buffer zone.

Further, the Deep State/EU/UN/WEF forces wanted to use Ukraine war to overthrow (or force out via his own people) Putin and Russia. Those globalists want control of Russia and its nuclear aresenal so this is not a minor matter. They would not let the fate of their proxy war rest on Zelensky's military understanding (He's a comedian and actor) and NATO was investing hundreds of billions of equipment and cash, and their aspirations for world dominion, in the proxy war.

So I believe the reports that NATO commanders ran significant portions of the war - their money and their goals therefore their leadership. The reports that NATO commanders were killed by Russian missile strikes in their bunker(s) in Ukraine are likely true. Zelensky didn't always cooperate and had some control, but this was a US/NATO led war. When we gave them missile launchers and air defenses, we also gave them Western troops trained to use them.

So Putin no doubt weighed the capacity of Ukraine to fight, and knew they would be given weapons, but it's unlikely he understood, at first, that NATO was running the war. Putin expected to fight Ukraine, but ended up fighting the United States, Russia, Germany France, etc. in addition to Ukraine.

He never has wanted bloodshed. It's the Ukraines (some on this thread) who chant, 'The Only Good Russian is a Dead Russian'. Putin considers Ukraine slavic relatives and he wants trading partner/neighbors.

At the start ofthe war, Putin wiped out the bio warfare labs he was trying to get the UN to investigate (UN refused). Then he was slowly taking down infrastructure, trying to pressure Ukraine to stop and negotiate. Putin didn't understand that no one in control of the war (NATO/US/Zelensky, Globalists) cared about the future of Ukraine or her people, they wanted regime change in Russia by any means possible. So Ukraine wouldn't negotiate to save themselves. This surprised Putin. His own people were angry with him for the slow and tentative pace of the war at first, but he didn't want all the bloodshed. One of his goals was to get Western Ukraine to stop shelling Ukrainians of Eastern who were of RUssian descent.

Ukraine has a blood lust regarding Russians, but Putin does not have a blood lust with Ukrainians, unless they are Nazis or traitors.

Ukraine fought past any reasonable point if they wanted to save Ukraine for the Ukrainians. I think many western analysts didn't know what to make of this. It's hard to think of another time I've watched a proxy war where the proxy country is treated as expendable by her own leadership (in this case NATO/Zelensky/US/globalists). For this reason, it is unusually bloody.

Putin's people (correctly) see the NATO/Globalist West as an existential threat and were glad when Putin gave up trying to hold back (pick away at infrastructure)  in hopes of negotiations after the first year or so and started crushing on the battlefield.

Over and over Putin asked for negotiations but NATO/Biden/globalists want him dead or gone, nothing else. Zelensky's 2022 decree making it illegal to negotiate with Russia is still intact.

President Trump has remarked, "You hear 'Save the Ukraine' and then you see entire cities without a single building standing, that's a 110 year reconstruction project." Zelensky's handlers are unlikely to take an interest in rebuilding Ukraine unless it is a military asset to them. Then I think they would only rebuild fortifications.

Many Ukrainians are refugees, the cities and factories they used to live/work in are gone and it will take decades before areas are livable again. And handlers tell Ukraine it 'has' to keep fighting, down to the last man or woman.


27 posted on 03/05/2025 2:34:46 PM PST by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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I don’t think Putin intended for this type of conflict either.


32 posted on 03/05/2025 3:03:55 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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Knee deep lying BS


33 posted on 03/05/2025 3:10:43 PM PST by hardspunned (Look for the“Putin Stooge” libel, news from Ukraine you’ve gradually grown to trust o)
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Oh BS. Pooty is an old school KGB agents that wants to try to rebuild the Soviet Union.


34 posted on 03/05/2025 5:05:14 PM PST by vpintheak (Screw the ChiComms! America first!)
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35 posted on 03/05/2025 5:59:43 PM PST by Bikkuri (I am proud to be a PureBlood.)
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36 posted on 03/05/2025 6:01:07 PM PST by Allegra
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Russia / Putin expected this whole war to be over after 60 or 90 days. I believe the BRICS had agreed to a plan where Russia would intimidate NATO, blackmail them with energy supply, and force them to the sideline. Thus, allowing China to begin operations against Taiwan.

That all failed when “shock and awe” turned into trench warfare.


37 posted on 03/05/2025 6:22:34 PM PST by taxcontrol (You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is.)
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Knee deep lying BS


41 posted on 03/06/2025 4:03:06 AM PST by hardspunned (Look for the“Putin Stooge” libel, news from Ukraine you’ve gradually grown to trust over 30 months s)
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