Posted on 03/05/2025 1:21:22 PM PST by marcusmaximus
Vladimir Putin 'regrets' triggering a full-scale war costing hundreds of thousands of lives, his closest international ally has claimed.
Belarus dictator Alexander Lukashenko said: 'We haven't talked about it, but I know him well.
'Putin didn't expect it would turn into such a war.'
The close Putin crony told interviewer Mario Nawfal on X: 'When he saw a huge number of people dying, Putin instantly agreed to the negotiations to stop the conflict.'
This was earlier in the war, in 2022, and, Lukashenko claimed, Putin was ready to negotiate 'on NATO, on demilitarisation, on denazification', as he described it, 'on not killing [Ukraine's] Russian speakers, on not cracking down on the Russian language in Ukraine'.
'It was all on the agenda. He wanted to negotiate when he saw what it had turned into.
'So I think he probably regrets it turning into such a full-scale conflict, a war, which he probably did not expect.'
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Lukashenko, buttering up Putin with whole cloth lies
Its a propaganda piece - everybody is saying real nice things about the bloody dictator - its in the wind.
Finland survived for decades in such a situation.
Bump for later
It was a stupid act from day one. Putin already knew Ukraine was the kick back capital of the world. A war was the perfect opportunity for corrupt Western politicians to get rich .
Here's a link to information on Lukashenko.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Lukashenko
He's an election rigging dictator who maintains a semi-soviet system of government and uses torture/sexual abuse and oppression etc.
I don't find him that credible, as Putin didn't 'trigger' the war the way his phrasing sounds, but I think he is getting at something in his comments. Lukashenko is a dictator so he doesn't have much practice choosing his words carefully - he can suppress reactions in his country to careless statements.
From the start, Putin did not want deaths, he wanted negotiations. I don't know if he realized that when our STate Department and CIA overthrew the government of Ukraine in 2014, they began laying down military fortifications for the war they were planning to provoke with Putin. So it's entirely likely he was surprised to find them so entrenched. Putin knew NATO wanted to put missiles on his border so he invaded 4 days after the Ukraine was overthrown to establish a buffer zone.
Further, the Deep State/EU/UN/WEF forces wanted to use Ukraine war to overthrow (or force out via his own people) Putin and Russia. Those globalists want control of Russia and its nuclear aresenal so this is not a minor matter. They would not let the fate of their proxy war rest on Zelensky's military understanding (He's a comedian and actor) and NATO was investing hundreds of billions of equipment and cash, and their aspirations for world dominion, in the proxy war.
So I believe the reports that NATO commanders ran significant portions of the war - their money and their goals therefore their leadership. The reports that NATO commanders were killed by Russian missile strikes in their bunker(s) in Ukraine are likely true. Zelensky didn't always cooperate and had some control, but this was a US/NATO led war. When we gave them missile launchers and air defenses, we also gave them Western troops trained to use them.
So Putin no doubt weighed the capacity of Ukraine to fight, and knew they would be given weapons, but it's unlikely he understood, at first, that NATO was running the war. Putin expected to fight Ukraine, but ended up fighting the United States, Russia, Germany France, etc. in addition to Ukraine.
He never has wanted bloodshed. It's the Ukraines (some on this thread) who chant, 'The Only Good Russian is a Dead Russian'. Putin considers Ukraine slavic relatives and he wants trading partner/neighbors.
At the start ofthe war, Putin wiped out the bio warfare labs he was trying to get the UN to investigate (UN refused). Then he was slowly taking down infrastructure, trying to pressure Ukraine to stop and negotiate. Putin didn't understand that no one in control of the war (NATO/US/Zelensky, Globalists) cared about the future of Ukraine or her people, they wanted regime change in Russia by any means possible. So Ukraine wouldn't negotiate to save themselves. This surprised Putin. His own people were angry with him for the slow and tentative pace of the war at first, but he didn't want all the bloodshed. One of his goals was to get Western Ukraine to stop shelling Ukrainians of Eastern who were of RUssian descent.
Ukraine has a blood lust regarding Russians, but Putin does not have a blood lust with Ukrainians, unless they are Nazis or traitors.Ukraine fought past any reasonable point if they wanted to save Ukraine for the Ukrainians. I think many western analysts didn't know what to make of this. It's hard to think of another time I've watched a proxy war where the proxy country is treated as expendable by her own leadership (in this case NATO/Zelensky/US/globalists). For this reason, it is unusually bloody.
Putin's people (correctly) see the NATO/Globalist West as an existential threat and were glad when Putin gave up trying to hold back (pick away at infrastructure) in hopes of negotiations after the first year or so and started crushing on the battlefield.
Over and over Putin asked for negotiations but NATO/Biden/globalists want him dead or gone, nothing else. Zelensky's 2022 decree making it illegal to negotiate with Russia is still intact.
President Trump has remarked, "You hear 'Save the Ukraine' and then you see entire cities without a single building standing, that's a 110 year reconstruction project." Zelensky's handlers are unlikely to take an interest in rebuilding Ukraine unless it is a military asset to them. Then I think they would only rebuild fortifications.
Many Ukrainians are refugees, the cities and factories they used to live/work in are gone and it will take decades before areas are livable again. And handlers tell Ukraine it 'has' to keep fighting, down to the last man or woman.
Excellent post but you included Russia in the number of countries Russia is fighting.
Just a typo I’m sure but some zeeper will probably try to make something else out of it.
;D Thank you. Yes Zeepers will likely be squealing....
As did Lincoln.
wy69
"President Trump paused the drone and missile “targeting system” being used by CIA and Ukraine partners; that’s what the “intelligence sharing” factually consists of. Why don’t they use the term “targeting system”?… Because if they did, they would be admitting the USA has been the military/IC operation firing missiles and drones against Russia."
CIA Director John Ratcliffe Confirms President Trump Paused “Intelligence Sharing” (ie The Drone Targeting System) With Ukraine
The Last Refuge ^ | March 5, 2025 | Sundance
Posted on 3/5/2025, 4:00:16 PM by SoConPubbie
I don’t think Putin intended for this type of conflict either.
Knee deep lying BS
Oh BS. Pooty is an old school KGB agents that wants to try to rebuild the Soviet Union.
Russia / Putin expected this whole war to be over after 60 or 90 days. I believe the BRICS had agreed to a plan where Russia would intimidate NATO, blackmail them with energy supply, and force them to the sideline. Thus, allowing China to begin operations against Taiwan.
That all failed when “shock and awe” turned into trench warfare.
“They lost 50% of the territory they occupied back then.”
They’re holding onto the parts they really want.
Yes, there is evidence that Russia expressed a willingness to negotiate in 2022 during the early stages of its invasion of Ukraine. Throughout the year, Russian officials, including President Vladimir Putin, repeatedly stated their openness to talks, though often with conditions that aligned with Moscow’s strategic goals.
For instance, in February 2022, prior to the full-scale invasion, Putin indicated a readiness to discuss security measures with the West, such as limits on missile deployments in Europe, during a meeting with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz. This came amid heightened tensions and Russian demands that NATO rule out Ukraine’s membership—demands the West rejected.
After the invasion began on February 24, 2022, peace negotiations between Russia and Ukraine started as early as February 28 in Belarus. Multiple rounds followed in March and April, including talks in Turkey that produced the Istanbul Communiqué. This document outlined potential terms like Ukrainian neutrality and limits on its military, suggesting Russia was engaging in the process. Reports from participants and analysts, such as political scientists Samuel Charap and Sergey Radchenko writing in Foreign Affairs, indicate that both sides showed a “mutual willingness” to consider significant concessions at this stage, with a draft agreement nearly finalized. Former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, who mediated early talks, also noted Putin made “huge concessions.”
Pre-Invasion (February 2022): Putin expressed openness to negotiate with the West on security issues, like missile limits in Europe, during talks with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, but demanded NATO reject Ukraine’s membership—terms the West refused.
Early Talks (February 28, 2022): Russia and Ukraine began peace negotiations in Belarus just days after the invasion started, indicating an initial willingness to engage diplomatically.
March-April 2022: Multiple rounds of talks occurred, including in Turkey, producing the Istanbul Communiqué with potential terms like Ukrainian neutrality and military limits; a draft agreement was reportedly close, per analysts like Charap and Radchenko.
Concessions Claimed: Former Israeli PM Naftali Bennett, a mediator, said Putin offered “huge concessions” in early talks, though specifics remain unverified.
Russia’s Conditions: Offers consistently included Ukraine recognizing Russian control over Crimea and parts of Donbas—terms Kyiv rejected as non-negotiable.
Breakdown (May 2022): Talks collapsed; Putin blamed Ukraine and Western interference, while Ukraine cited Russia’s ongoing attacks (e.g., Bucha massacre) as evidence of bad faith.
Late 2022 (December 25): Putin reiterated readiness to negotiate, but this followed deadly strikes on Kherson and Lavrov’s demand for Ukraine to cede occupied territories, suggesting a tactical motive.
Skepticism: U.S. officials (e.g., John Kirby) and Ukraine argued Russia’s actions—civilian attacks and escalation—undermined its stated willingness, pointing to a pattern of using talks to lock in gains or regroup (e.g., Meduza reports of a planned 2023 offensive).
It also thrived.
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