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1 posted on 02/21/2025 6:24:39 AM PST by marcusmaximus
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Why should it come with security guarantees...The minerals are to pay off a past debt.


2 posted on 02/21/2025 6:26:40 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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There's something about the minerals deal that I think the Ukrainians and many here are not thinking through. I realized this when I read the first agreement included US management of Ukraine's ports.

If the US is managing the ports and many mines, how likely is it that Putin will attack these sites? If the agreement includes sites in occupied territories, the US may negotiate something with Russia from which Ukraine will indirectly receive something vs. the nothing they will receive.

It's a very subtle way of injecting the US into Ukraine without explicit US security guarantees. Putin gets to declare victory and no NATO, but Ukraine has implicit security guarantees because Russia will be unlikely to interfere with US operations. The US gets rare-earths and some cash. It's an insult to Ukraine's sovereignty, but they don't have much choice between becoming a US protectorate or a Russian one.

The art of the deal.

5 posted on 02/21/2025 6:34:30 AM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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How many of my Senate colleagues secretly have Ukrainian passports?

— Mike Lee (@BasedMikeLee) February 21, 2025


6 posted on 02/21/2025 6:35:43 AM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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16 posted on 02/21/2025 7:07:00 AM PST by Allegra (It’s MAGA time! )
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This is about generating revenues to rebuild the Ukrainian economy and repay America for all that it has invested in the Ukraine.

It also keeps out all the globalist carpetbaggers who fomented the war to make profiteer on the Ukraine's destruction and then used the ill gotten gains to buy up the distressed assets of war torn Ukraine for pennies on the dollar just like George Soros did when the Ukraine imploded into a depression at the end of the Cold War.

Then of course, the US would fund the reconstruction of the Ukraine to turn those assets stolen from the Ukrainian for pennies on the dollar into windfall profit that would make the carpetbaggers wealthy and powerful beyond measure while making the Ukrainian people their chattle as neo serfs .

It would be carpetbaggers first and Ukrainian people last

The globalist carpetbaggers would strip mine the Ukrainian economy and the only rebuilding would be for what they owned personally. .

Trump is cutting the globalist/EU carpetbagges and grifters out of the process and he is making a deal that will preserve and develop the Ukrainian assets for the Ukraine people.

Trumps plan is MUGA - make Ukraine Great Again. It keeps Ukraine's assets Ukrainian for the people of Ukraine to fund the rebuilding of their lives and their country.

17 posted on 02/21/2025 7:17:35 AM PST by rdcbn1 (TV )
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Andrzej Duda · @AndrzejDuda

A few minutes ago, President @ZelenskyyUA called me. We had a candid conversation on the heels of the recent meetings with General Kellogg and other developments. I conveyed to him that we consistently believe there is no other way to stop the bloodshed and achieve lasting peace in Ukraine except with the support of the United States.

For this reason, I suggested to President Zelenskyy to remain committed to the course of calm and constructive cooperation with @POTUS Donald Trump. I trust that good will and honesty form the foundation of the U.S. negotiation strategy. I have no doubt that President Trump is guided by a deep sense of responsibility for global stability and peace.


18 posted on 02/21/2025 7:18:46 AM PST by marcusmaximus
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The accuracy of the media just gets better and better.

"...a U.S. official and a source with direct knowledge of the issue tell Axios."

"The U.S. official and the source familiar said the decision..."

"The U.S. official ...."

"The exact terms of the current U.S. offer are not clear."

"...a source with direct knowledge told Axios."

"...the U.S. official who is involved in the negotiations and a source with direct knowledge told Axios."

All that "sourcing" PROVES -- I tell you, it PROVES -- something.
20 posted on 02/21/2025 7:26:01 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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Ukraine gives the few deposits of minerals under its current control to the US, but receives no payments. The majority deposits of minerals is under Russia control now and will function as payment for invading Ukraine.


23 posted on 02/21/2025 7:43:48 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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There will be no security guarantees from us.

If European nations want to provide that, they are free to.

26 posted on 02/21/2025 8:56:24 AM PST by Kazan
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Anyone thinking that part of the negotiations are about “elections”?
I’ll be we let him (Zelinskyy) slide for a year on that.


28 posted on 02/21/2025 9:06:19 AM PST by Palio di Siena (Kralik…..you get the wallet )
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