Then there are the UN'borrowed' ones...
Posted on 01/23/2025 2:44:18 PM PST by daniel1212
Analysis of general principles used by the "borrowing" thesis.
Some notes on alleged parallels between Christianity and pagan religions -- an introductory commentary by a classical scholar writing for us as "Justin Martyr"
On Napoleon as Myth translated by "Justin Martyr"
Glenn Miller's general essay refuting the pagan-copycat thesis
Creation Ministries International on Indian creation myths
Figures claimed to be sources for the Old Testament. Named entities in alphabetical order.
Akhenaten -- Did the Egyptian Pharaoh Akhenaten influence Jewish monotheism?
Sargon -- Did the story of this Assyrian king influence the story of Moses?
Sinuhe -- Did the story of this Egyptian hero influence the Exodus account?
Was the creation account "stolen" from the Babylonian creation account?
Is the Biblical Flood story borrowed from pagan accounts? -- from Glenn Miller's Christian Thinktank.
Did NT Biblical writers "rip off" stories from the Old Testament? -- from Glenn Miller's Christian Thinktank. Also see our article on Randel Helms (right column).
Is the Christian fish symbol derived from pagan symbols?
Abraham Lincoln was a copy of John F. Kennedy!
Figures claimed to be sources for the life of Jesus. Named entities in alphabetical order.
Adonis -- The Greek deity: A source for the life of Jesus?
Alcides (Or Hercules) --The Greek strongman/demigod.
Alexander of Abonuteichos -- A charismatic figure who started a quasi-religious movement; this is more of a claim of a social parallel.
Apollonius of Tyana -- Pagan performer of miracles and traveller.
Attis -- Phrygian and later Greco-Roman demigod. Also discusses the ritual of the "tauribolium".
Baal -- Ancient Near Eastern deity.
Balder -- Norse deity. Also discusses Frey.
Beddru of Japan -- As it happens -- a non-existent entity.
Buddha -- Two entries on this figure; one here and another here.
Chu Chulainn -- Celtic hero.
Crite -- As far as I can find, another non-existent figure.
Dazhdbog -- Russian heroic figure.
Deva Tat -- Heroic figure from Siam.
Dionysus -- Greek god of wine.
Hesus -- Deity associated with druids.
Horus -- Egyptian deity. Also covers Osiris.
Krishna -- Hindu deity. Two essays, one here on moral teachings and one here on life story.
Mithra -- Persian deity.
Osiris -- Egyptian deity.
Prometheus -- Greek demigod.
Quetzalcoatl -- Mesoamerican deity.
Salivahana -- Indian teacher.
Serapis -- Mediterranean deity.
Tammuz -- Sumerian shepherd-god.
Zamloxis -- Thracian hero.
Zoar -- Unknown figure.
Zoroaster -- Religious founder.
Essays and book reviews on persons who promote "copycat" theories.
Acharya S -- Preserves the work of 19th century freethinkers.
Atwill, Joseph -- author of Caesar's Messiah.
ben-Jochanon, Yosef -- from the school that says it was all borrowed from Africa.
Campbell, Joseph -- General proponent of copying of ideas via Jungian archaetypes.
Freke, Timothy and Peter Gandy -- review of The Jesus Mysteries
Graham, Lloyd M. -- author of Deceptions and Myths of the Bible
Greenberg, Gary -- author of 101 Myths of the Bible
Harpur, Tom -- author of The Pagan Christ
Helms, Randel --Author of Gospel Fictions, which proposes that the NT borrowed content from the OT.
Higgins, Godfrey -- early proponent of the copycat thesis.
Kalopoulus, Michael -- review of Biblical Religion: The Great Lie
Kuhn, Alvin Boyd -- a proponent early last century. Sample items commenting on his works Mary Magdalene and Her Seven Devils and Who Is This King of Glory?
MacDonald, Dennis -- Author of The Homeric Epics and the Gospel of Mark
Massey, Gerald -- another early proponent.
Price, Robert -- Review of Deconstructing Jesus.
Lord Raglan by "Justin Martyr" -- Raglan was an early proponent of the "copycat" thesis.
Thompson, Thomas -- review of The Messiah Myth
Shattering the Christ Myth -- my own book, with several chapters on the subject; hub page for the book here and see new website here featuring updated versions
Recommended Books -- a bibliography of books on the historical Jesus
Deeper Waters interview with Joe Mulvilhill
Scripture is Not to be Trifled with!
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Jonah is a Favorite!
You are so right. Those words, even if borrowed, describe the evolution of our being, universe, planet, and life. And those words were recorded by the Jews and inspired by our God almost three thousand years ago. They wrote those words in a book that became the Bible and that has survived to this very day!
And yes, they may be stories and even in a few cases a myth. But we live in a world of stories and myths. Did Georgie Washington actually chop down that cherry tree? I really don't know, but it does not make him a lesser figure to be admired -- along with most of the founders of our nation.
God's word is the truth. It's a science that's catching up - not the other way around.
The Qu’ran was originally Aramaic and all about Jesus!
Reverend Al Fadi and Dr. Jay Smith discuss the new research being done on the Qur'an in Germany, but not spoken about much in the English-speaking world, because the Germans (and also the French) have kept their research to themselves. Some of the most damaging research is being carried out on the Qur'an itself, and mostly by German scholars such as Gunther Luling and Christoph Luxenberg, who have found that there is an enormous Aramaic influence on the Qur'anic text we have today. In the last 50 years (since 1970), they have found that the original Qur'an, the proto-Qur'an, was in fact derived from Christian lectionaries, hymns, and homilies, written in Aramaic, by preachers in the church in the centuries leading up to the 7th century. It was then taken from Aramaic, and translated into Arabic sometime in the 7th century itself, mostly in Syria and Iraq. These Arabic texts were then embellished with dots and vowels in the 8th - 9th centuries, so that the average Arabic speaking people could read and understand them, but because those who were writing the Qur'an in Arabic didn't know Aramaic, they chose to put their dots and vowels anywhere they wanted, creating 30 official Qira'at versions of the Qur'an by the 15th century. This became such a dilemma for the Muslim authorities that in 1924 they had to choose just one version among the 30, and so went with the Hafs Qur'an, which is the official Qur'an we use today in most parts of the Muslim world...but it all began with Aramaic. What's more, if we were to go back to the proto-Aramaic Qur'an, we would find that the lectionaries, hymns and homilies from which it was all borrowed were all about Jesus. So, we need to get back to that original Qur'anic material, all written in Aramaic, and all about Jesus.
Just recently found the camp where the Angels killed 185,000 Syrian soldiers.
Is THIS what passes for LOGIC these days?
If someone steals my wallet, it doesn't make the money in it counterfeit!
Judging from the images and statues of the Catholic Mary, neither was she!
Then there are the UN'borrowed' ones...
When yer language gets messed up at Babel, the stories that were stored in your head - gets retold to the younger folks a bit differently.
But the problem for these claims is that Archology is proving the Scriptures correct for earlier and earlier events.
For instance, Tell Jericho, is one of the strongest proofs, where pots of burnt new grain, large burns, Stones falling outward, fit the Biblical account.
Recently, It is cliamed that Joshua's Altar was found. Steps to a pit were found under a pile of rocks containing Kosher Bones. A lead tablet was found with Israeli-Canaanite letters.
Abraham's first Alter including holes in the rock from the Oaks of Mamre, a spring, and a V cut stone (altar) are plainly visible for all to see out in the open.
In Egypt, a Tablet with Hieroglyphs mentions Isreal, which has no King, was defeated, strongly points to the time of the Judges.
A burried alter was found in Jerusalem, with the same accortaments stroghly indicate that it is Melchizadek's altar which Abraham would have tithed at. Indications that it was still in use, but burried shortly after the first temple was in use.
More and more, folks who make claims that the Bible was stories borrowed from other religions, have to ignore the onslaught of Old Testament evidence to the contrary being uncovered in Israel these days.
As for the New Testament, The pool of Siloam, which looks to be about the size of 2 Olympic swimming pools, for ritual cleansing before visiting the temple have been uncovered, allong with the road, Pontius Pilate built out of expensive flagstones, leading to the temple, was uncovered LARGELY INTACT. Bodies were found in the roads sewers and coins dated to 70AD, confirmed the Roman destruction of Jerusalem as recorded by Josephus.
On the Western wall, steps to a gate sealed with a huge stone, A stone path under gate along with a Roman Mosiacs and evidence of flogging pillars, evidence of Roman Barracks, and of the Palace, strongly indicates the cite of Jesus's judgement, and flogging by Pontius Pilate.
The Stones Cry out !
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Try as they might to Disprove Scripture Not One Archeological discovery has been successful in diminishing The Bible.
Our Lord said that Moses wrote of Him. If Jesus accepts the Mosaic authorship of the Pentateuch, then that’s good enough for me.
Telling the “End from The Beginning “which the Bible does Reaptedly as in the curse of the serpent witnessed by Adam and Eve.
The Coin in the fishes mouth;Matt 17:27 always Fascinated me.
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1) Details, please?
2) Has anyone told SunkenCiv about this? (Not *pinging* him because not enough info yet to be worth his while.)
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