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Posted on 01/15/2025 10:14:05 AM PST by marcusmaximus
Marco Rubio said that both Russia and Ukraine will have to make “concessions” in order to reach the peace deal promised by Donald Trump as he offered a full-throated defense of the president-elect’s vision for America’s role around the world – and his own hawkish record on foreign policy.
Rubio, Trump’s nominee for secretary of state, told the Senate foreign relations committee that the war in Ukraine had become a “stalemate” and “has to end”; that the US should show China that it would pay “too high” a price for invading Taiwan; and that European countries have to stop treating US support for Nato as an “excuse to … spend on domestic needs”.
Speaking on the war in Ukraine, which Trump had vowed to end within 24 hours of taking office, Rubio said that there was “no way Russia takes all of Ukraine” – but also that Ukraine would not be able to retake all its sovereign territory held by Russia.
In order to reach a peace deal, Rubio continued, “there will have to be concessions made by the Russian Federation, but also by the Ukrainians and the United States.”
US sanctions on Russia may also enter the discussion, Rubio said, noting that they gave Washington “leverage” over Russia and that they would “have to be part of this conversation in terms of bringing about a … resolution”.
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Tell your Turkey to sit down and STFU!
That would only be Crimea. Luhansk and Donetsk are 60% Ukrainian while Kherson and Zaporizhzhia are 80% Ukrainian.
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Sounds like our Vietnam era negotiating strategy...make more and more concessions even after the enemy is beaten on the battlefield.
Tell Russia, get out of all of Ukraine and they will remain neutral like Switzerland for 50 years. Stay with the territory you have captured and the rest of Ukraine joins NATO. Take your pick.
Nice story but it should be put in the fiction section. The popular uprising in 2014 was a reaction to Putin’s interference in turning Yanukovich against the his previous support of the EU economic agreement. Contrary to Putin’s claim, Yanukovich then turned his security forces against the protesters. He fled the country in face of popular opposition, not because of a coup. The democratically elected parliament then declared that he had abandoned his office and called for a new election.
Nor did the “people” of Crimea, Donetsk, and Luhansk vote to leave Ukraine. They were seized by militants backed by Moscow. The referenda were just for show. There was no public debate or opposition campaign allowed. They were conducted by military backed forces with no oversight of the voting or vote counting. Moscow actually blocked the referendum that Ukraine had latter planned to conduct in accordance with the Minsk accords.
Your story is a nice fairy tale but don’t expect anyone to believe such Russian propaganda.
See:
Marco Rubio Issues Stark Warning About Vladimir Putin During Confirmation
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4290317/posts
The people don't want to go back to being part of Ukraine and there is no scenario where that territory will be part of Ukraine again.
Deal with that reality.
How is your jet fuel situation at Engels, by the way? Rustled up any more North Korean cannon fodder? You seem to have used the last batch up.
Rubio is now President Trump’s Secretary of State nominee. Take it up with Trump if you don’t like it.
You funny:P
Yeah, right! Nuland brought down the Ukrainian government by hand out cookies. Talk about being funny. But even if there were a coup in 2014, which I do not concede, it would still not justify Russia’s invasion in 2022. There were two popular elections in that period, a fact that pro-Russian propagandists always pass over.
And I am also to believe that Kherson and Zaporizhzhia with 80% Ukrainian populations also voted overwhelmingly to join Russia. The absurdity of such a claim discredits all referenda. But Russia and its apologists got their talking points, and that is all that matters, right?
Sorry, although there will of course be face saving measures,
the Ukrainians (and their State Department/Foreign Office lackeys) will not get to disagree about anything.
Petrosius has a problem recognizing, and accepting, reality.
The majority voted for Yanukovych in 2010.
Apparently, he is of Ukrainian descent.
Nuland was the lead U.S. point person for the CIA sponsored coup, establishing loan guarantees to Ukraine, including a $1 billion US taxpayer loan guarantee in 2014. Furthermore, in 2014, she was surreptitiously recorded speaking on a bugged phone line with US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt discussing the next acceptable leader for Ukraine.
Google it
Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call
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