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Trump Wants Greenland and the Panama Canal. It’s About Climate.
The New York Times ^ | Dec. 31, 2024 | Lisa Friedman

Posted on 01/01/2025 2:10:39 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

To imagine the kind of future a hotter, dryer climate may bring, and the geopolitical challenges it will create, look no farther than two parts of the world that Donald Trump wants America to control: Greenland and the Panama Canal.

The president-elect in recent days has insisted that both places are critical to United States national security. He’s called to reclaim control the Panama Canal from Panama and acquire Greenland from Denmark, both sovereign territories with their own governments.

They have something else in common as well: Both are significantly affected by climate change in ways that present looming challenges to global shipping and trade.

Because of warming temperatures, an estimated 11,000 square miles of Greenland’s ice sheets and glaciers have melted over the past three decades, an area roughly equivalent to the size of Massachusetts. That has huge implications for the entire world. If the ice melts completely, Greenland could cause sea levels to rise as much as 23 feet, according to NASA.

Greenland’s retreating ice could open up areas to drill for oil and gas and places to mine critical minerals, a fact that has already attracted international interest and raised concerns about environmental harms. And, ship traffic in the Arctic has surged 37 percent over the past decade, according to a recent Arctic Council report, as sea ice has declined. More melting could open up even more trade routes.

Amanda Lynch, a professor at Brown University who has studied climate change in the Arctic for nearly 30 years, said the new trade routes created by ice melt could also heighten the risk of environmental disasters. Ships from some countries, she said, are not designed to withstand Arctic conditions.

“An oil spill or some other toxic accident on that route is inevitable and could already have happened and we...


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TOPICS: Humor
KEYWORDS: arcticcouncil; canada; climatechange; climatechangehoax; distrustthescience; ecoterrorism; ecoterrorists; fakenews; frsmarterthantrump; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; greenland; greennewdeal; iwbg; maga; newyorkslimes; panamacanal; tds; tdsbs; totalbullshit; trustthescience
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Greenland..perfect place to deport the illegals


21 posted on 01/01/2025 3:19:20 PM PST by The Great RJ
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To: lastchance
why do you believe it is stupid for Trump to what Greenland under U.S. control?

Because outside of the "Manifest Destiny" of taking our nation from the east coast to the west coast, America is not meant to be an imperialist nation.

22 posted on 01/01/2025 3:19:23 PM PST by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Olog-hai

If Greenland is threatened by Russia, then maybe America’s legitimate self-interest is in play for us to stop that. But that is far different from America trying to take over Greenland.


23 posted on 01/01/2025 3:21:41 PM PST by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

America is supposed to be the protector not violator of national sovereignty.


24 posted on 01/01/2025 3:23:28 PM PST by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Jim W N

False dilemma.

And also presumption of no danger from Europe in earnest.


25 posted on 01/01/2025 3:29:16 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Jim W N

It would potentially be a deal like the purchase of Alaska from Russia.

Denmark simply cannot defend Greenland. As usual, the USA pays for a lot of the defense of Greenland.


26 posted on 01/01/2025 3:38:43 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (Marxism is a politics for the ugly, unwanted, uneducated, unhealthy, and insane.)
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To: OKSooner

They’ll need a White Castle.


27 posted on 01/01/2025 3:52:02 PM PST by HYPOCRACY (Democracy is dead. Long live the Republic!)
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To: Jim W N

Don’t second guess Trump the Titan.


28 posted on 01/01/2025 5:36:28 PM PST by Bigg Red (Trump will be sworn in under a shower of confetti made from the tattered remains of the Rat Party.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Denmark simply cannot defend Greenland. As usual, the USA pays for a lot of the defense of Greenland.

If necessary, the strong protecting the weak. Sometimes that happens. It doesn't mean the strong should take over the weak.

America is about freedom from gov't coercion not the dispenser of more gov't coercion.

29 posted on 01/01/2025 6:39:51 PM PST by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: packagingguy
We have never been enemies with Denmark.

I'm sure we can find a reason. something to do with Russia, perhaps?

30 posted on 01/01/2025 8:59:10 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Angelino97

“The other half the time, conservatives are pushing to expand the empire because ... Merica!”

Who said anything about taking it? We’ll buy it fair and square.


31 posted on 01/02/2025 2:02:25 AM PST by rxh4n1 ( )
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Propaganda.


32 posted on 01/02/2025 5:46:42 AM PST by sauropod ("You didn't take a country. You only won a football game!" - Dan Dakich Ne supra crepidam)
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To: rxh4n1
Who said anything about taking it? We’ll buy it fair and square.

Denmark's PM has stated very plainly that Greenland is not for sale.

So that should be the end of it.

Columbia also didn't want to accept the terms offered to build the canal in its Panamanian province. So the U.S. supported Panamanian revolutionary groups, and after Panama broke away from Columbia, made a deal with the new nation.

It's an old imperial trick. If a foreign government would do your bidding, install a more friendly government. Today of course, it's called a color revolution.

33 posted on 01/02/2025 7:10:16 AM PST by Angelino97
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To: Angelino97

Denmark is not an independent country, having been a member of the EUSSR since the early 70s. It’s the EUSSR who is imperialistic here, encroaching on the US by proximity.


34 posted on 01/02/2025 1:19:59 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai
It’s the EUSSR who is imperialistic here, encroaching on the US by proximity.

Gee, that's what Putin said about Ukraine.

I guess if you want to steal Greenland, any excuse will do.

35 posted on 01/02/2025 2:08:18 PM PST by Angelino97
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To: Angelino97

Oh, so you subscribe to the Democrats’ theory of Trump = Putin?

False comparison.


36 posted on 01/02/2025 2:25:25 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai
Oh, so you subscribe to the Democrats’ theory of Trump = Putin?

False comparison.

Your comparison.

You said Greenland is "encroaching" on us because it's allied with the "EUSSR."

That is indeed the same argument Putin made. That Ukraine was encroaching on Russia by flirting with NATO.

37 posted on 01/02/2025 2:31:36 PM PST by Angelino97
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To: Angelino97

Nope; you made the false comparison between Trump/Greenland and Putin/Ukraine. When was it ever the case that Ukraine was paying Russia for its defense and Russia was getting nothing in return? which is the case of Trump/Greenland, which Trump offered to buy and not invade.

Opus?


38 posted on 01/02/2025 2:36:42 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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Reverse that, to wit “When was Russia ever paying for Ukraine’s defense” etc.


39 posted on 01/02/2025 3:52:59 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai

So since Trump merely “offered to buy” Greenland, and Denmark’s PM said that Greenland is definately not for sale, that should be the end of it, yes?

No imperialist arm twisting coming up? For Greenland own “protection”?


40 posted on 01/02/2025 8:06:39 PM PST by Angelino97
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