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Putin offers to pay off debts as recruitment tool in war against Ukraine
Fox News ^ | 12/30/2024 | Greg Wehner

Posted on 12/31/2024 3:28:29 AM PST by marcusmaximus

Russian President Vladimir Putin seemingly took a page out of President Biden’s book and is offering to write off debts for new recruits enlisting in the country’s military for one year.

In November, Putin signed a law allowing anyone who joined the Russian military after Dec. 1, 2024, to have debs of up to 10 million rubles, or about $96,000, written off.

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The move appears to be similar to one from Biden’s own playbook, though the latter does not connect loan handouts to military recruitment.

Earlier this month, the Biden administration announced $4.28 billion in student loan handouts as Biden and Vice President Harris prepare to vacate the White House.

The massive handout will give 54,900 public workers loan forgiveness but also brings the total loan forgiveness approved by Biden to nearly $180 billion for nearly 5 million borrowers.

The Biden-Harris administration touted the program for creating an "incentive" for public servants to "pursue and remain" in their careers

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To: marcusmaximus

Russia is making do with what the little that it has — we’re the ones with the recruitment problem. Putin pays the debts of his recruits. For ours, we pay for sex changes and woke re-education, and we get guys like Bowie Bergdahl.


21 posted on 12/31/2024 7:31:52 AM PST by Socon-Econ (adi)
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To: BobL
The ONLY reason that I can come up with this TOTAL LACK OF INTEREST in other areas is what was just reported on regarding the government using social media influencers to affect opinion on Ukraine. If you do that for a living, you need to post to multiple sites and stay focused on the contract terms, or you’ll never be able to pay for eggs, at least if you’re based in the US.

Did you know that he took the day off when Trump won the election in November, and didn't celebrate with the rest of us?

When he returned on Wednesday, he only used Trump's victory as a bludgeon on the Ukraine-Russia war.

Just another prop in his State Department troll kit.

22 posted on 12/31/2024 7:36:26 AM PST by kiryandil (No one in AZ that voted for Trump voted for Gallego )
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To: jerod
Helpful English tip:

”Ukrainians,” not “Ukrainian’s.”


23 posted on 12/31/2024 7:42:54 AM PST by Allegra (Less finger-wagging would be appreciated . )
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To: marcusmaximus; kiryandil

24 posted on 12/31/2024 7:49:15 AM PST by Allegra (Less finger-wagging would be appreciated . )
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To: jerod
There is absolutely no reason why an American taxpayer should take seriously the foreign policy advice of a Canadian advocating for American intervention in war


jerod
Since Feb 17, 1998


25 posted on 12/31/2024 8:42:25 AM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: marcusmaximus
Cold War II❄️The Russians Storm Sudzha⚔️ Pokrovsk: A Clever Maneuver➡️ Military Summary 30.12.2024🗓️

RUAF Capture Significant Fortified Positions South of Pokrovsk | Kurakhove Significant Developments

26 posted on 12/31/2024 8:53:13 AM PST by Kazan
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To: rxh4n1

As usual ridiculous claim with nothing to back it up


27 posted on 12/31/2024 5:45:21 PM PST by blitz128
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To: blitz128

What is? That you’re a warmongering foreign weirdo that doesn’t give a rat’s patootie about Americans, even though you claim to be one?


28 posted on 12/31/2024 9:54:04 PM PST by rxh4n1 ( )
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To: kiryandil; MayflowerMadam; BobL
kiryandil: "Eggs in some parts of the US are $7.00 a dozen - IF you can get them."

As of December 2024, the average US price for a dozen large eggs is $3.65.

My local Walmart (eastern PA) sells a dozen large white eggs for $4.00.
The nearby upscale Giant Foods sells them for about $5.70.
There are no shortages I've heard of.

In 2019 US eggs averaged around $1.40 per dozen.

In Moscow, eggs averaged about $1.00 per dozen in 2021.
In Moscow today eggs average about $1.40 per dozen.

If that sounds relatively cheap, then remember that the average (median) American earns 12 times more ($71,000/year) than the average Russian ($5,500/yr).
In the affluent Moscow region, the median income is nearly $7,000/yr.

So, relative to median incomes, Moscow eggs cost the equivalent of $17 ($1.40 X 12) per dozen today, and there are many reports of shortages, plus special packaging to prevent food staples from being stolen.

29 posted on 12/31/2024 11:27:15 PM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: BroJoeK

“If that sounds relatively cheap, then remember that the average (median) American earns 12 times more ($71,000/year) than the average Russian ($5,500/yr).”

Might help if you stop using 1990 numbers for Russia.


30 posted on 12/31/2024 11:51:29 PM PST by BobL
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To: rxh4n1

Is this kindergarten?
Supporting Ukraine against Russian invasion is not anti-American or weird, but go ahead and make your baseless allegations.

So typical of the usuals


31 posted on 01/01/2025 3:36:40 AM PST by blitz128
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To: BobL
BobL: "Might help if you stop using 1990 numbers for Russia."

The latest numbers I can find -- here, here and here -- are from February 2023.
They show Russian median income of ~₽42,000 (rubles) per month.

In February 2023, the ruble was worth about 70 per dollar, making a median salary of ₽42,000 per month about $600, or $7,200 per year.

Today the ruble has fallen to 110 per dollar, making that same ₽42,000/month worth only $380 or about $4,600 per year.
Today we can expect most Russians make somewhat more rubles than they did in 2023, which is where my estimate of $5,500 median annual income came from.

In the Moscow region, median wages were around ₽50,000 per month in 2023, which at 110 rubles/dollar is $450 or $5,500 per year.

My figure of $7,000/yr. for Moscow income is not median but rather average household income, which includes people like Vladimir Putin who make much more and thus increase the average, but not the median.

Median means half earn more, half earn less.

Map of Russian median incomes as of 2019:
Darker colors are higher incomes.
Note Moscow is the darkest -- highest income -- in the country:


32 posted on 01/01/2025 6:53:32 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: BroJoeK

Interesting - if you Google Per Capita Income by Country, you get $15k per year for Russia from Wikipedia, for 2024.


33 posted on 01/01/2025 7:10:12 AM PST by BobL
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To: BroJoeK

As usual, you’re The BroJoke.

I reported live. You shat out your mouth.


34 posted on 01/01/2025 8:25:18 AM PST by kiryandil (No one in AZ that voted for Trump voted for Gallego )
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To: blitz128

No, that’s right, nothing weird about supporting Ukraine, but you distort what I said. YOU are the weirdo, and I didn’t say YOU were anti-American. You’re a proud Ukrainian nationalist that puts his country first. Like I put the USA first. That just means you don’t care what happens to America as long as your country prospers. You should be able to figure that out.


35 posted on 01/01/2025 3:20:31 PM PST by rxh4n1 ( )
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To: rxh4n1

What is? That you’re a warmongering foreign weirdo that doesn’t give a rat’s patootie about Americans, even though you claim to be one

Your whole comment is demented

I am an American veteran with almost 40 years service. I can support my country and support Ukraine in their struggle against a vile invader

Weird, wasn’t that the term democrats loved to use 😎


36 posted on 01/01/2025 5:41:22 PM PST by blitz128
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To: blitz128

Sure, Jan.


37 posted on 01/01/2025 9:14:33 PM PST by rxh4n1 ( )
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To: BobL
BobL: "Interesting - if you Google Per Capita Income by Country, you get $15k per year for Russia from Wikipedia, for 2024."

Right -- per capita is an average income, where Vladimir Putin and other oligarch billionaires are averaged in with factory workers and waitresses.

By contrast, median income is: half make more, half make less, and so it's not changed by how wealthy the wealthiest Russians are.

Remember, the original question was -- the cost of a dozen eggs, which in the US averages $3.65 and in Russia $1.40.
But, when we compare even Russia's nominal GDP per capita of $14,953 to the US $86,601, the US is 5.8 times more, which makes the US equivalent to Russia's $1.40 about $8.10 per dozen.

But GDP per capita is not the best measure -- median income certainly is, and by median income comparisons, Russia's $1.40 eggs would cost $17 in the US.

Nominal GDP per capita
The US ranks #6 after Luxembourg, Switzerland, Ireland, Norway and Singapore.
Russia ranks #65:


38 posted on 01/02/2025 2:47:25 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: kiryandil
"I reported live. You shat out your mouth."

You reported nonsense.

I reported facts.

As usual.

39 posted on 01/02/2025 2:49:05 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: BroJoeK

“Right — per capita is an average income, where Vladimir Putin and other oligarch billionaires are averaged in with factory workers and waitresses.”

So you CHOOSE to discount the data because it’s ‘inconvenient’. Typical of you guys, going back DECADES to perpetuate your lies.

By the way, glad the US doesn’t have rich people to distort our data...


40 posted on 01/02/2025 3:14:32 AM PST by BobL
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