Posted on 12/28/2024 6:44:52 AM PST by grundle
Daniel Alman from Squirrel Hill @DanielAlmanPGH
If #ElonMusk is correct about the U.S. having a #LaborShortage, then how does he explain this?
"Most studies indicate that 75-85% of adults with #AspergerSyndrome do not hold a full-time job."
https://autismspectrumnews.org/tackling-the-unemployment-crisis-for-adults-with-asperger-syndrome/
#Aspergers #Autism #ASD #H1B #H1Bvisas #STEM #Math
9:39 AM · Dec 28, 2024
So it is not effecting them.
You forgot
In high demand.
And prone to accumulate great wealth.
Not that there is anything wrong with that!
Being on the spectrum has been very, very good for me ...
😉
How many have part time jobs, and live with a care giver? I think it’s a straw man argument.
THERE are also kids out there today in college who cannot pass the tests I passed in high school in America. WENT TO A SMALL TOWN HIGH SCHOOL AFTER ATTENDING A ONE ROOM GRADE SCHOOL.
We have allowed the “EDUCATION” system to push kids thru like water thru a straw & give them diplomas-—when they cannot read-—write—or do simple math.
We ALL KNOW THIS-— IT IS NO SECRET.
BLAMING the lack of decent workers on tech & outsiders ‘taking jobs’ is an internal problem we should have fixed 40 years ago.
TEACHER’S UNIONS are NOT HELPFUL-—to anyone other than the teacher’s paychecks.
MERIT HAS BEEN RIDICULED & SQUANDERED. EFFORT & WILLINGNESS TO ACTUALLY WORK HAS BEEN RIDICULED.
PARTICIPATION TROPHIES ARE STILL IDOLIZED-—and it is all a complete SHAM.
THIS IS THE LEGACY OF THOSE “PARTICIPATION TROPHIES”, IMO.
KIDS today cannot even read an analog clock.
SHAMEFUL. UTTERLY UNACCEPTABLE.
A parent writes a best seller: “WHAT TIME IS NOON”-—ABOUT the continuing comments his kids/grand kids have been making about everyday items.
4 years ago——a neighbor’s grandson wanted me to explain to him how to handle a checkbook. HE was a senior in high school & was considered a VERY HIGH RANKING CLASS MEMBER WITH HIS GRADES.
I copied my utility bills, and a couple of other monthly items so he could learn how to read the bills & know what they all said.
I wanted to show him how to keep a checkbook register.
LIKE ALL KIDS TODAY——HE WANTS TO DO ALL HIS “BANKING” ONLINE. TOLD HIM HE STILL HAS TO KNOW WHAT ITEMS ARE TAX DEDUCTIBLE & HE HAS TO HAVE THOSE RECORDS FOR 7 YEARS. BANKS DO NOT HOLD SUCH RECORDS FOR THAT LONG.
In the process, I got a small calculator out of my office (HAVE DONE BOOKKEEPING SINCE 1957).
When I placed it on the table we were at, his eyes got huge——”WHAT IS THAT???”
A CALCULATOR-—I said-—A COMMON OFFICE ITEM...
He pulls out his cell phone & SAYS “HERE”S MY CALCULATOR”...REAL SMART ASS.....
I ask him “where does the paper come out——You often need to run tapes to check when you are out of balance”.
HE JUST GAVE ME A LOOK OF ASTONISHMENT-—
BUT I haven’t totally won him over to having better records.
Has anyone worked with somebody with Asperger’s?
It can be a challenge and most micro managers can’t handle it.
I don’t even understand that.
In the late 80’s I applied for a computer support position at a large city in Southern California.
When I took the civil service technical test they had a large sign that said:
Women +10%
Minorities +10%
Veterans +10%
Before I even started the test I was 30% behind some people, there were 100+ people taking the test.
3 years later they contacted me for an interview. During the interview they told me that I had the highest score on the test but they had to hire the people with the adjusted score first, oh, and how did I feel about reporting to these people.
I said that I didn’t mind but my body language said something else and I didn’t get the position.
This was in the late 80’s, I can’t imagine how much worse it is now.
Just tell them that you don’t mind showing them in every meeting and every conversation and every review.
It depends on the person. I’m pretty good to work with, but my co-worker is a nightmare.
As an example, I thought we needed hand sanitizer, so I mentioned it. However, this person found some and decided in the group email to mention that I thought we needed some and he found some and he named me.
I tore a stripe off him for that one in the next group email and he doesn’t talk to me now.
This is the most stupid non-sequitur I’ve read in a long time.
Employability requires more than intellect or specific job skills. Successful employees need to be socially functional for consistent productive interaction with bosses, other employees, customers, vendors, et al., and have a comprehensive body of general “work skills” and personal habits, with an aptitude for shouldering responsibility and subordinating one’s own interests to the job at hand. My guess is that some/many Asperger’s sufferers are unemployable due to such social factors and intrinsic inabilities to control whence their curious minds wander.
Elon Musk has self-disciplne, but you will notice that he is working for himself, not doing whatever an employer wants.
There’s assholes everywhere and that is part of the job. Don’t trust anyone with your ideas or confidences.
One of the biggest is when someone confidentially tells someone else they are looking for another job. That’s just asking for it anywhere.
Work friends are just that, nothing more than passing through the night, especially when you get older and have a family to look after. Be polite and cordial, earn respect not friendship. Arm’s Reach is the reality. Confiding is like dropping the soap in prison.
I’m with you on that.
And it seems like the schools don’t seem to recognize the particular challenges that go along with Aspergers, which may be why the employment rate for them is so high. My son is an example. He’s a genius at computer science. But in college he didn’t want to waste his time with the busywork and on the tests he had difficulties not because he didn’t understand the content but because he is so precise/purist with language that the questions as they were asked didn’t make sense to him. So his grades don’t reflect his full abilities. One of his professors told him, “It’s a shame that such massive intelligence had to be wasted on you.” That was fully because the prof didn’t understand someone who thinks differently than other people - literally has a different thinking process, a pure scientist who has so much knowledge that even small inaccuracies in language make a big difference to him because he knows distinctions that others have never even thought of.
I took him out of the public school when he became suicidal over a writing assignment where the teacher would only allow propaganda sources rather than the pure scientific data that he wanted to use. She wouldn’t relent, the principal stood by her, and I took him out to save his life.
What Ramaswamy has said about our society’s priorities being screwed up is right, and that happens in the schools. People who could be curing cancer and other great scientific things are more likely to be pushed around and suicided by propaganda pigs than be nurtured, equipped, and valued. The people who can truly contribute to society - as opposed to the homecoming kings and queens etc - are NOT being served by our current system. I’m glad that he made that point, and it makes me sad if the H1B kerfuffle keeps people from taking that observation seriously.
For Musk, I wish that he would look into some of these people who are very, very intelligent but aren’t working BECAUSE of the way that our society fails to understand the minds in question. He’s said he needs to completely overhaul the computer software of the US govt, and I have a guy in my house who has been working with Guix who knows just about everything there is to know about any computer language out there, or can find it out very quickly. He’s fixed a lot of bugs - most recently a bug he fixed within 2 days that others have spent at least a year trying to fix. But he can’t seem to get a job. I wish Elon would take a look at him and others like him.
My other son has a respectable programming job and just recently the company’s owner wanted them to try hiring people from India, working from India. My son was to supervise these people and it was a nightmare. One guy in particular did nothing and knew nothing. It was a risky situation because the owner really wanted the India people to work - probably because they are less expensive. But it is a fallacy that everybody from India is a good bargain.
He was also recently required to supervise a new hire from the very college he graduated from but was a lesbian who hated men and refused supervision from men, very seldom even worked on what she was given and refused to learn the proper ways to program, and was only there because she needed the money to put her ‘wife” through school. She had good academic grades but was not fit to be employed. They let her go in the most recent layoffs; the market isn’t such that you can carry that kind of person any more.
I have no problem with companies being allowed to seek out the best, but I do think that the fallacies and misunderstandings of both some people from India and some people from the US are clouding some issues.
For one thing, due to his asperger-syndrome, Elon has not been able to get a job with anyone so he has had to engage in multiple odd jobs that he has created himself to make ends meet. It’s a shame that he has to work so hard. If only he could make enough at Tesla, X, or his rocketry side hustle.
IIRC, he is a guy, while running billion dollar businesses, got high, live on camera during a podcast. Probably one of the dumber things a man can do.
Maybe because by definition adult “Aspies” have difficulty working with others, otherwise have serious problems, or are the type to latch onto a diagnosis for an excuse?
We sold a house to an extremely rude woman who insulted us many times within 15 minutes. Absolutely zero filter. And she worked for NASA! Later, we decided she probably had Asperger’s just to cut her a break.
But you didn’t think, wow—that’s someone I’d really like to work with 5 days a week!
OMG! No! That thought never entered my mind for even one second. LOL!
The only way he could possibly hope to earn any money is if he did some computer stuff...in his room...and have no interactions with anyone. He does earn some money that way but not nearly enough to be independent.
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