Posted on 12/28/2024 3:35:21 AM PST by bitt
The Silicon Valley immigration priority was not the topic I thought would explode and fracture the tenuous MAGA alignment with the New Big Tech group represented by Elon Musk and his billionaire network. However, we learn more every day. This is a jaw-dropping moment to watch unfold as a very influential sector of the political discourse begins a full-frontal attack against those who are pointing out how the tech community abuse H1B visas to replace American workers. In the background, of course, is the context of widespread immigration policy fraud being one of the priorities for the average Trump supporter.
The Silicon Valley team do not seem to review discussion of the H1B manipulation/fraud within the larger American economy as a problem, as long as the discussion of the visa fraud does not impact their business models. However, as soon as the H1B abuse started to be framed around Silicon Valley’s participation therein, the New Big Tech group take a nuclear war approach to defending their interests.
(Musk tweet)
Having followed the immigration issue for a long time, yet specifically only having a big picture review of the H1B visa issues, it has been astounding to watch how Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy, David Sacks and the Silicon Valley supporters and influencers are responding to having the H1B visa fraud confronted. The self-interest in their defense is just astronomical to watch unfold.
Empowered by what can only be reasonably defined as their perceived influence over President Trump, the new-era Tech team are quite forcefully telling the MAGA base of Trump-supporting American workers that their concerns, views and perspectives are irrelevant.
(Excerpt) Read more at theconservativetreehouse.com ...
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As a white Christian male in tech, I can confirm that I’ve been passed over for work in lieu of “people of color” and women. If you’ve ever been interviewed by a big tech company, you are entitled to a Data Subject Request (DSR), and they are required to provide it to you. Turns out one of mine had notes from interviewers who went so far as to say, “More than qualified, but white.”
How would you read that?
Looks like racism to me.
Yep. The H1B program needs to be abolished. The abuses have been systematic.
And still nobody’s talking about Big Med’s use of H1Bs...
Go figure.
To those who haven’t: Take your brains out of neutral. You’re being played.
Sundance is off the mark here.
Vivek and Musk, if you look at what they are actually advocating, are not even close to advocating H1B fraud.
Vivek had advocated for reform of the H1B system before this election. Elon Musk is advocating for bringing in the best talent on the planet, as we have always done.
Who else has had it with corporate “call centers” , Silicon Valley(aka Google and Facebook), and Vivek’s big mouth?
Stephen Horn
@stephenehorn
Did you know that the state government is one of the largest H-1B visa applicants in North Carolina via the UNC system?
UNC members made over 500 visa applications in 2023, with an average base salary of $91,757.71
Most common job title: Assistant Professor
https://x.com/stephenehorn/status/1872459380521873601
I stopped reading sundance years ago. He is never right in his bombastic screeds and at times he left me wondering which side he is on. Take the article, he totally misrepresents the issue and what Musk supports.
I wonder how much of of Elon Musk’s and Vivek Ramaswamy’s vast fortunes are essentially blood money taken from displaced American workers.
Regarding Vivek’s claim that they need H-1B visas because of problems of American culture, well I can say that they are actually creating the very problem with the culture that they claim H-1B visas are required to fix. In particular, importing hordes of foreign born engineers depresses the prestige (and earning power) of the engineering profession and thereby discourages American born students from pursuing those studies in college.
American students turning away from engineering are not being “lazy” or “dumb” as Vivek claims. They are being practical in response to a problem created by the H-1B visa program.
The H-1B program needs to be absolutely destroyed and fully burned to the ground.
Great points . thanks .
later
Stunning! Putting financial gain and/or personal bias over your countryman's needs.
Wouldn't the documented discrimination be enough to file a federal law suit - especially if a number of you could join together?
A quality technical education spans an entire childhood. You just don't scab it over with four years of college and get the facility and perspective that is needed, building those dendritic connections while the brain is still at its most plastic developmental capability. Hence, when I home educated my daughters, they were doing college calculus by 12, self-taught.
Sundance is an agitator and untrustworthy. His lies about DeSantis during the primary were egregious.
You are correct that Musk and Trump agree on the H1B system and its need for correction, the need to ONLY bring the best here and the need to start developing citizens with these types of degrees right here at home.
There is no split.
Do not let fakes like Sundance split us.
Agreed.
H1-B from the beginning has been a corporate conspiracy against the American worker at all levels.
Tooany business owners just want cheap help.
Look up the historical ratio of CEO /owner pay to workers pay in the 1950s and 1960s and compare it to today ratio.
In this case, I'm afraid it's more than that. Musk et al. know what it takes to win in the technical race they must win or die. They know what winning that race means to America, which is also a win or die competition. They are habituated to that pressure, doing what it takes to win. Yes, they got rich. But I don't seen an exodus of workers from SpaceX; I see real enthusiasm in that control room.
So this is more complicated than simply "more-for-less." They'll pay what it costs to get what they need... to win. I really don't think either Elon or Vivek is so stupid as to fail to anticipate the backlash they're getting. They're telling us what that takes to win in this global marketplace for skilled labor. So I see this as a sad reality, which is why I think they were willing to bring it up at all.
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