Growing indications that the Azerbaijan Airlines flight that crashed today was hit by air defense fire

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[janetjanet998]

Growing indications that the Azerbaijan Airlines flight that crashed this morning might have been brought down by some kind of AD fire

A Ukrainian drone attack on Grozny was ongoing

[crz]

Flight 655 Iran airlines shot down by the US...although it was 1988.

Killed everybody on board.

I dont remeber us being at war with Iran ever..do you?

[Jumpmaster]

“The aircraft’s civilian IFF id should have prevented targeting. But since when does Russia respect civilian airlines? Never, they are not a civil society”

Recall JAL 007, Sep 1984.

[BobL]

“Luraine and Zalinsky deserve to lose this ridiculous war.”

Yep, the Neocons have Ukraine attack civilian targets in Grozny to try to split apart Russia and Chechnya but wind up getting a plane shot down in what should be a safe area.

They’re just DAMN LUCKY that Russia closed off its airspace to Neocon flights (due to the EU doing the reverse), or it could have easily been a European plane.

[McGruff]

It’s amazing that we have so many crime scene investigators here that we don’t need experts in the field.

[shotgun]

Shrapnel from the center fuel tank explosion?

[dljordan]

“Who’s the World’s expert in GPS-jamming?”

The U.S.

[adorno]

Reports say the plane was miles off course, and had problems with GPS-jamming

Who’s the World’s expert in GPS-jamming?

Russia.

Hey! Russia's the good guys here. Take it back!

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

Not a bird strike. Probably a Russian S-300 or S-400 based on location.

[The_Media_never_lie]

Who TF flies a civilian airliner into a war zone!

[ABStrauss]

yes

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

Civilian aircraft do not carry IFF. ADS-B identifies civilian aircraft, but it can easily be spoofed, and it is likely that Russian air defense systems are not integrated with ADS-B, for that reason and it adds cost and complexity that may be used by an enemy to deceive.

Commercial aircraft should not need GPS to navigate, it is “nice to have”, but not essential. Civilian GPS is easily spoofed, that is sent deceptive signals to pull the victim off course. If it was GPS spoofing, one wonders for what purpose, unless it was Russians expecting Ukrainian Drones navigating via civilian GPS and luring them into an ambush?

[ABStrauss]

Oh, and by the say, Biden started this war through a suggestion that Ukraine should join up with NATO.

It was another installment of the Ukraine’s payoff to SFB Biden.

[yukong]

Upon impact, the tail section broke off and the wings and front half went further down track and exploded in a jet fuel caused fireball. The survivors were all in the aft portion that did not burn.

[Lurker]

“Oh, and by the say, Biden started this war through a suggestion that Ukraine should join up with NATO.”

Um, no. The rest of NATO flatly declined that.

This is Putin’s war. No amount of mental masturbation will change that.

L

[Revel]

Who knows what to believe at this point. An article in the dailymail Actuality shows two different pictures of the tail that are obviously not the same plane.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14225585/moment-plane-crashes-Christmas-Day-fireball-Kazakhstan.html

[E. Pluribus Unum]

You mean the war that Putin started? That war? L

Russia's invasion of Ukraine was not the unprovoked attack the war-enthusiasts pretend it was.

All NATO had to do to avoid the Russia conflict was keep its promise to refrain from expanding NATO.

It started in 1990 when James Baker promised Gorbachev that NATO would not expand one inch further eastward if Russia agreed to the reunification of Germany, thereby officially ending WW II.

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/16117-document-06-record-conversation-between

Gorbachev agreed, but within four years NATO began expanding eastward anyway.

The Russian invasion occurred when NATO began teasing NATO membership for Ukraine, whose name literally means "borderland" in Russian because it is on the border with Russia and has been the origin of numerous invasions of Russia in the past.

 

[ABStrauss]

Get over there and help out.

Meanwhile, Merry Christmas and a Happy MAGA New Year.

[Lurker]

“Get over there and help out.”

Why on Earth would I do that? I dislike both sides equally here. They’re both hyper corrupt oligarchies that differ only in scale.

L

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

Recall JAL 007, Sep 1984.

KAL 007, September 1983.

That was long before ADS-B or Mode-S. In the good old days, the sector air traffic control assigned a four digit octal code to each aircraft in their sector which the pilot would dial into his transponder. When aircraft passed between sectors the new sector would assign a new code. Russian ATC was not integrated with Alaska. There was an USAF RC-135 spy plane flying out of Shemya that was flying a figure eight in and out of Russian coverage. It was completely routine and the Russians were used to it. The RC-135 mission had ended and they headed back to Shemya. At that time KAL-007 showed up on Russian radar right where they expected the RC-135. KAL was flying on inertial navigation, before GPS, but apparently they had entered the wrong coordinates when they were in Alaska and were off course. KAL-007 was headed over Russia's Sakhalin Island. The Russians scrambled interceptors, who arrived below KAL-007 just before it was about to depart Russian airspace. The Russian pilot fired warning shots with its cannons at KAL-007, but the cannon fire probably did not get high enough to be seen by KAL-007. On orders from ground control, the pilot fired a missile, which hit KAL-007 before it exited Russian airspace, resulting the deaths of all aboard.

The Russians had no way of knowing or determining that the intruder was a civilian aircraft, and KAL-007 had inadvertently simulated the previous track of the USAF spy plane.

[Uncle Miltie]

“They’re both hyper corrupt oligarchies that differ only in scale.”

Totally agree. But the partisans assign you to the opposing group if you don’t toe their line precisely.