Posted on 12/22/2024 6:31:48 AM PST by airdalechief
The good news is that the pilots are safe. There were no fatalities, but it could have been a tragic accident. We have confirmed reports of a friendly fire incident occurring in the Red Sea, where an F-18 fighter jet was blasted out of the sky. American forces have been conducting airstrikes in Yemen against Iran-backed Houthi rebels. The fighter jet was accidentally shot down by a cruise missile cruiser, which is under investigation. Both pilots were able to eject from the aircraft and rescued shortly thereafter (via USNI News)
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Give it a couple days. We'll be hearing the cause of the crash was a spark in a center wing fuel tank.
I was wondering about the IFF my own self.
On the other hand, incidents of friendly fire go back to all wars.
I wonder, does MODE 5 have a DO NOT REPLY interrogation to sniff out imposters? What little I know about MODE 5 is from open sources. I have never seen any MODE 5 classified documents, but I suppose the DNR message should be an obvious safeguard.
I know of three incidents from the Gulf War involving Patriot, who I believe was responsible for all the coalition air casualties in Gulf War I. One was an RAF major flying outside of designated air lanes who had turned off his transponder. Two others were Marines flying together. One had developed engine trouble and decided to land at the nearest coalition airfield. There was a Patriot radar at the end of runway which was “skin tracking” the Marines. One target separating from another and flying straight at the radar looks like an antiradiation missile to the Patriot computer and the Patriot commander. Needless to say they fired, effectively. The first Marine’s wingman decided to join him at the emergency landing site. Same result.
It was subsequently decided that since the Patriot was a bigger hazard to friendlies than the enemy was to Patriot or any other coalition asset, in the future all engagements would have to be cleared with E-3 AWACS Air Boss, who had the advantage of experience, the big picture, and the voice of the Holy Ghost.
I was wondering, the Navy has a very capable E-2 AWACS, not as much punch as his Air Force big brother, but capable enough. I wonder if the Gettysburg was in communication with the E-2?
Cover-up story. It was shot down by alien drones.
“I would say that it is even odds that the Houthis used either a Russian or Chinese anti-aircraft missile to shoot down the F-18. I can no longer take the claims of our government at face value, they have been lying about everything.”
They either have or will have hypersonic missiles (the ones we didn’t bother with until 10 years after Russia/China started on them, and now can’t get to work) from Iran, so air defense, also, makes perfect sense.
The friendly fire incident with General Jackson cost the South the war.
Less well known, the Indians attacking Custer at LBH quietly acknowledged killing some of their allies thinking they were “bad” Indians that accompanied Custer's expedition.
I’m going to make a wild guess that quality of officers and crew has diminished since your time of active service.
I don’t think the Houti’s were in a dogfight with our jet. With our command and control these days,,,,,,,with E-2s, EC-135’s, satellite communications, enhanced radar capabilities, encrypted communications, transponders, etc,,,,this is totally inexcusable.
“E-3 radar operators, “
If they were E-3’s they were full of BS.
Something like this has happened before. At least in that case the crew could imagine the civilian liner was actually a military aircraft imitating harmlessness.
Why a US Warship Downed an Iranian Passenger Jet Over the Gulf in 1988
https://veteranstoday.com/2018/07/03/why-a-us-warship-downed-an-iranian-passenger-jet-over-the-gulf-in-1988/
When Iran Air Flight 655 Was Shot Down By A US Navy Guided Missile Cruiser
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/history/iran-flight-655-shot-uss-vincennes.html
I’m not sure if you are joking. “E-3 AWACS” radar operators. They were mostly senior master sergeants, and the most senior AWACS operators in the Air Force. I met them at in a formal setting at Tinker, in a closed area, not a bar in Oklahoma City. (I like Oklahoma City, and it actually has some nice bars.) I think you have to be an E-4 before you are even qualified to have a seat on an E-3 AWACS.
I stood (OK, sat) thousands of hours of watch in CIC on 2 Aegis ships, one a cruiser exactly like the Gettysburg. I was CSC, and directly involved in air defense engagements. You are correct. CO and whoever the TAO was are probably done, along with the specific watchstanders that made critical errors. It's also quite probable the Carrier was in the loop throughout the incident.
Fortunately, everything is recorded, so the entire engagement within the Aegis system is recorded, as are the internal and external voice nets the watchstanders were speaking on. From the description of actions before the FF incident was reported, the Gettysburg was engaging drones and anti-ship cruise missiles at the time. Of course, as soon as they realized they shot down an F-18, the flow of information to the public stops. It sounds like the "ASCM" was actually our F-18.
LOL !
Re: 12 - must be nice to assign DEI as involved in this mishap.
No chance you’d like to wait for the accident investigation and more details to become known?
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Unless that someone is getting promoted for generating all the correct documentation to maintain the pretense that it was a "friendly fire" incident instead of revealing that it was shot down by a Houthi missile.
I was just before aegis. The last of the moveable antenna. The process was the same. Many mistakes to shoot a friendly. Thank God those men survived.
Houthi missile? You have a better chance with a slingshot.
The simplest explanation is that they are lying and the plane was shot down by Yemeni forces.
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