Herodotus' theory on Armenian origins debunked by first whole-genome study

Phys dot org ^ | November 25, 2024 | Trinity College Dublin

[SunkenCiv]

Maps showing Armenia with the locations of ancient and whole-genome modern individuals, along with a proposed route of Armenian migration according to the Balkan theory.

Credit: The American Journal of Human Genetics (2024). DOI: 10.1016/j.ajhg.2024.10.022

[SunkenCiv]

One of *those* topics.

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[Red Badger]

Cher is Armenian, IIRC...............

[Tell It Right]

I don’t know enough about the Ottoman-Russian wars, followed by the Ottoman genocide of Armenians, to know if the genocide was fueled by the belief that the Armenians were Balkans.

[Dr. Sivana]

Maybe one or both of those populations had been largely displaced/replaced since the time of Herodotus. It has been a long time since I read him. I mainly remember he made great fun of the Egyptians.

[SunkenCiv]

The Phrygians crossed into Anatolia, but there’s only three generations of royal burial mounds in their capital. It might be a good time to do the DNA on those remains.

[x]

Cher is Armenian, IIRC...............

The parts of her that aren't plastic are anyway ...

[SunkenCiv]

The rest of the Phrygians keyword, sorted:

• An inscription with the name of the ancient city was found at the excavation site in Gordion, the capital of the Phrygians [08/11/2022]
• Bone workshop, oil lamp shop unearthed in ancient city in Turkey [11/20/2021]
• King Midas and His Golden Touch at the Penn Museum [01/17/2016]
• 'Gate to Hell' guardians recovered in Turkey [11/24/2013]
• New Indo-European Language Discovered [06/21/2012]
• Yapi Kredi Museum exhibit explores Phrygian culture [01/01/2008]
• Greek sculpture 'from throne of Midas' [2002] [04/24/2007]
• King Midas' Modern Mourners [11/28/2004]
• Burushaski [11/06/2004]
• Amazon Warrior Women [08/04/2004]
• Non-Attic Characters [07/18/2004]
• Chemistry Used to Unlock Secrets in Archeological Remains [04/30/2002]
• Archaeologists Find Celts in Unlikely Spot: Central Turkey [12/27/2001]
• Archaeologists Find Celts in Unlikely Spot: Central Turkey (Ellas Go Bragh!?) [12/25/2001]
• Archaeologists Find Celts in Unlikely Spot: Central Turkey [12/24/2001]
• So Who Is Buried in Midas's Tomb? [12/24/2001]
• Archaeologists Rewrite Timeline Of Bronze And Iron Ages, Alphabet [12/24/2001]

[SunkenCiv]

• Missed one: Bulgarian Archaeologists Uncover Treasure Of Thousands Of Golden Ornaments [08/17/2005]

[BenLurkin]

"What's all this I hear about friggin Armenians?"

[Bon of Babble]

My husband’s family came straight from Italy, his grandparents immigrated from Naples and Rome in the 20s.

When my husband had his DNA done a few years ago, it showed a good percentage of his DNA came from the Balkans. He had no idea - but who knows, people migrated all over the place.

I suggested we visit the Balkans if possible to check it out.

[buwaya]

A lot of people went from Albania to Italy in the Middle Ages.
It was typical to find Balkan people in the ranks of the condotierri. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratioti

[Tallguy]

Cherjian?

[Larry Lucido]

So first it was bunk, and now it is debunked?

[ProtectOurFreedom]

Interesting that there are two articles posted this morning on the genetic origin of the Armenians. The article posted by Cronos shows evidence of distant populations in the Armenia people from Spain to Subsaharan Africa going back 2,000 to 4,000 BC.

Genetic evidence for an origin of the Armenians from Bronze Age mixing of multiple populations

[SunkenCiv]

It was totally bunk. :^)

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks!

[SunkenCiv]

Probably due to the various ethnic groups in the Balkans not always getting along, with Italy a boat ride away.

[SunkenCiv]

Exactly. Also, even in ancient times there were multiple hand-changing of that crossroads of continents. The Assyrian Empire ended because, during its struggle with the Babylonian Empire, the Medes and Scythians started out allied with one or the other, then the Babylonians got the other one to switch sides.