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Veteran’s Day: The Magnificent Infantry of WW II
self | November 11, 2024 | Self

Posted on 11/11/2024 2:05:58 PM PST by Retain Mike

The Army deployed 65 infantry divisions for the Second World War. Each was a small town with its own equivalents for community services plus eight categories of combat arms. Units such as artillery, engineering, and heavy weapons engaged the enemy directly. Yet of all categories, the foot soldier faced the greatest hazard with the least chance of reward. Except for the Purple Heart and the coveted Combat Infantryman’s Badge, recognition often eluded them because, so few came through to testify to the valor of the many. These civilians become warriors confronted the most dismal fate of all whose duty was uninterrupted by missions completed or a fixed deployment time. The infantrymen were enveloped within the most chaotic, barbaric, and brittle existence against extraordinary capable enemies where victory often required actions well beyond prior limits for impossibility.

Omar Bradley said, “Previous combat had taught us that casualties are lumped primarily in the rifle platoons. For here are concentrated the handful of troops who must advance under enemy fire. It is upon them that the burden of war falls with greater risk and with less likelihood of survival than any other of the combat arms. An infantry division of WW II consisted of 81 rifle platoons, each with a combat strength of approximately 40 men. Altogether those 81 assault units comprised but 3,240 men in a division of 14,000…..Prior to invasion we had estimated that the infantry would incur 70 percent of the losses of our combat forces. By August we had boosted that figure to 83 percent on the basis of our experience in the Normandy hedgerows.”

Nearly a third of the 65 divisions in the Pacific and European theaters suffered 100% or more casualties. However, their regimental staffs saw frontline units obliterated three to six times over. You can verify these losses from the links provided and Bradley’s assertion.

To deal with this problem there were never enough infantrymen coming from the states, though large numbers were transferred from Army Service Forces and Army Air Forces to Army Ground Forces. Replacement centers overseas continually reassigned artillerymen, machine gunners, cooks, and clerks to infantry duties. The situation in Europe became so severe that rear area units in France and Great Britain were tasked to supply soldiers for retraining as infantrymen. Those suffering battle fatigue came off the line for a few days for clean uniforms, bathing, hot food, and sleep. However, scarcity compelled their repeated return until crippling wounds, mental breakage, death, or victory brought final relief.

For example, the 4th and 29th Infantry landed on D-Day and suffered about 500% battle casualties in their rifle platoons during the eleven months until VE-Day. Added to these numbers were half again as many non-battle human wrecks debilitated by trench foot, frost bite, pneumonia, hernia, heart disease, malaria, arthritis, etc. and most never returned to duty. In the jungles of the Pacific non-combat losses exacted an even greater price. But somehow the infantry crossed Europe and the Pacific and always remained in the forefront of attacks.

Ernie Pyle said of them, “The worst experience of all is just the accumulated blur, and the hurting vagueness of being too long in the lines, the everlasting alertness, the noise and fear, the cell-by-cell exhaustion, the thinning of the surrounding ranks as day follows nameless day. And the constant march into the eternity of one’s own small quota of chances for survival. Those are the things that hurt and destroy. But they went back to them because they were good soldiers, and they had a duty they could not define.”

Partial bibliography:

A Soldier’s Story by Omar N. Bradley

Brave Men by Ernie Pyle (the quote named Tommy Clayton, but was generalized here because Ernie Pyle saw him as an example of the infantrymen he loved.)

Crusade in Europe by Dwight D. Eisenhower

The U.S. Infantryman in World War II by Robert S. Rush

Foot Soldier by Roscoe C. Blunt, Jr.

Links for Listings of United States Divisions during WW II

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Army_divisions_during_World_War_II http://www.historyshots.com/usarmy/

Army Battle Casualties and Non-battle Deaths in World War II

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/ref/Casualties/index.html

3rd 'Marne' Infantry Division

http://www.custermen.com/ItalyWW2/Units/Division3.htm

National 4th Infantry (IVY) Division Association

http://www.4thinfantry.org/content/division-history

45th Infantry Division

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/45th_Infantry_Division_(United_States)

Remembering the Thunderbirds – Oklahoma’s 45th Infantry Division

http://www.baptistmessenger.com/remembering-the-thunderbirds-oklahomas-45th-infantry-division/ Total casualties of 62,640 When Gen. George S. Patton described the 45th Infantry Division, he said it was “one of the finest, if not the finest infantry division in this history of modern warfare.”


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: history; infantry; veterans; ww2; wwii
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1 posted on 11/11/2024 2:05:58 PM PST by Retain Mike
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To: Retain Mike

My dad served in Europe and he told me things that broke my heart


2 posted on 11/11/2024 2:09:36 PM PST by SMARTY (In politics, stupidity is not a handicap. Napoleon Bonaparte I)
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To: SMARTY

Never again. Who’s worth invading? Haven’t we learned by now?

Troops stationed overseas should be paid for by the host countries.


3 posted on 11/11/2024 2:11:31 PM PST by DIRTYSECRET
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To: Retain Mike

93% of that American Army were draftees, pretty much it was a war of draftee against draftee everywhere, Germans included.


4 posted on 11/11/2024 2:18:45 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Retain Mike

I always heard merchant mariners had the highest death rate.


5 posted on 11/11/2024 2:26:11 PM PST by PghBaldy (12/14/12 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15/12 - 1030am - Obama team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: PghBaldy

> I always heard merchant mariners had the highest death rate. <

That’s correct, according to this article:

http://www.usmm.org/casualty.html

But I don’t believe they received veteran status until sometime in the 1980s.


6 posted on 11/11/2024 2:47:02 PM PST by Leaning Right (It’s morning in America. Again.)
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To: PghBaldy

James Garner joined the Merchant marine in WWII at age 16 and later received 2 purple hearts for infantry combat wounds in Korea.


7 posted on 11/11/2024 2:54:45 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Retain Mike
For the US Army in WWII, the highest % of turnover due to casualties was in the 4th Infantry Division (252.3%), followed by the 9th Infantry Division (240.4%); only three other divisions - all infantry divisions - in the Army had a casualty rate over 200%. Sobering enough, but then - as mentioned in the article - the brunt of all that was suffered by the rifle platoons.

Pretty grim.

8 posted on 11/11/2024 3:02:30 PM PST by niteowl77
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To: ansel12

Peter Falk, Jack Lord, and Carroll O’Connor were also in the Merchant Marines in World War 2.


9 posted on 11/11/2024 3:10:17 PM PST by DFG
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To: SMARTY

My grandpa fought for McArthur in the S W Pacific.

He drove a bulldozer, and was a mechanic when needed. Endured bugs, heat and humidity, tropical fungus and diseases, short rations, shifts that were brutal—6 on and 6 off for days. Occasionally Japnese airstrikes (that loved to target Bulldozers) and even Japanese snipers.

Still compared to a rifleman they would have called him lucky. He had a cot and pillow with mosquito net and a tent each night, hot meals usually, base security (Air Force engineer battalions came with their own organic security platoons armed with all light arms including MGs and bazookas) and once an island was more secure even ice, a commons area and rarely beer.

831st (871st..something) AAEB Battalion 1943-1945


10 posted on 11/11/2024 3:12:28 PM PST by Phoenix8
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To: niteowl77

Much the same happened in WW1 as well. All the extensive training of the regiments and divisions suddenly hits a crisis point when the well-trained are murdered in windrows, and the cooks, clerks and repo guys that just got bum-rushed through a limited basic training showed up on the lines. More than a few stories are out there for WW1 and WW2 newbies like this that hadn’t even held a rifle, much less loaded or fired one.


11 posted on 11/11/2024 3:22:11 PM PST by larrytown (A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do. Then they graduate...)
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Some combat infantrymen lied about their age to enlist (and I think it showed):


12 posted on 11/11/2024 3:27:56 PM PST by Who is John Galt? ("...mit Pulver und Blei, Die Gedanken sind frei!")
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To: Retain Mike

Real Men

Toughest SOB’s to walk the planet.


13 posted on 11/11/2024 3:50:08 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

“..Real Men. Toughest SOB’s to walk the planet....”

Yep...no doubt in my mind having grown up as a kid under em.....father, uncles, etc.
That statement holds true for those in all the theaters too; Europe, Pacific, etc....they were some tough, hard-core individuals (toxic masculinity on steroids..LOL). Not many can compare to em these days.


14 posted on 11/11/2024 3:58:03 PM PST by lgjhn23 ("On the 8th day, Satan created the progressive liberal to destroy all the good that God created..." )
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To: lgjhn23

The interesting part, they didn’t think of themselves that way. It may be because of the Great Depression. It put most everyone in their place. A truly great equalizer greater than the old Colt 45.


15 posted on 11/11/2024 5:06:49 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: Retain Mike

Another well done.


16 posted on 11/11/2024 7:19:52 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Donald John Trump. First man to be Elected to the Presidency THREE times since FDR.)
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To: Phoenix8

You may enjoy, “General Kenny Reports”. It is all about the Fifth Air Force. Very good read I think.


17 posted on 11/11/2024 7:22:24 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Donald John Trump. First man to be Elected to the Presidency THREE times since FDR.)
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To: Sequoyah101

Thank you.


18 posted on 11/11/2024 8:36:50 PM PST by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: PghBaldy
The US Merchant Marine suffered extraordinary losses early in the war due to German U-boat and air attacks, especially on the North Atlantic run between the US and Britain and on the Murmansk run between Scotland and Murmansk, Russia. One of my uncles was in the Merchant Marine during WW II and was on multiple trips on both routes. The experience was harrowing.

In essence, if your ship was hit and began to sink, you might get into a lifeboat but had only a poor chance of rescue. Due to the risk of enemy attack, ships in convoy had orders not to stop and make rescues. Many US merchant sailors therefore died when their ships went down or of exposure in the ocean in life vests or in lifeboats.

19 posted on 11/11/2024 11:31:39 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: DIRTYSECRET

“Troops stationed overseas should be paid for by the host countries.”

For that you need the FFL 😁


20 posted on 11/12/2024 2:02:01 AM PST by SMARTY (In politics, stupidity is not a handicap. Napoleon Bonaparte I)
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