Russia says West should negotiate end to Ukraine war based on current reality

SwissInfo ^ | 11/7/2024 | Reuters

[marcusmaximus]

Russian Security Council Secretary Sergei Shoigu said on Thursday, a day after Donald Trump became U.S. president-elect, that the West should accept Russia was winning the Ukraine war and negotiate an end to it.

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The Wall Street Journal reported that Trump’s transition team had proposed that Kyiv could promise not to join NATO for 20 years in exchange for Washington agreeing to arm it heavily to deter a Russian attack. Russia says it will not comment on media reports, and that it would need to see the details of any plan before commenting.

The Kremlin reacted cautiously on Wednesday after Trump won the presidential election, saying the U.S. was still an unfriendly state and that only time would tell if his rhetoric on ending the war translated into reality. Reuters reported in May that Putin was ready to halt the war with a negotiated ceasefire recognising current battlefield lines, but was prepared to fight on if Kyiv and the West did not respond.

[Tell It Right]

My take: with Trump we’ll go back to drill baby drill, energy costs will go down, and Russia won’t have as much money to do war.

[z3n]

I would suggest that it would be okay to let Russia have Donbass and some of the other heavily ethnic Russia areas, IF they agreed to take future Russian deportees from Ukraine without argument.
Without that agreement, in another 10 years Russia could be invading new border regions in Ukraine again claiming they are Russian anyway.

The hardliners would hate this compromise, because not returning to the 2019 lines is like rewarding the Russian aggression. While I would never admit this at the negotiating table, I actually agree that you have to deal with the reality on the ground today. How many more thousands and thousands of people have to be killed because of where a border is drawn?

[MNDude]

The pro war people have ensured Ukraine is in a very bad negotiating position.

[Petrosius]

The only pro war people are the Russians and their supporters. This would all stop if the Russians just went home.

[PIF]

Russia says West should negotiate end to Ukraine war based on current reality, in other words, on Russian terms.

[CIB-173RDABN]

The hardliners would hate this compromise, because not returning to the 2019 lines is like rewarding the Russian aggression. While I would never admit this at the negotiating table, I actually agree that you have to deal with the reality on the ground today. How many more thousands and thousands of people have to be killed because of where a border is drawn?

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I agree. The war has been both costly in blood and treasure. Neither side is really “winning”. Time to compromise.

[PIF]

Those area are not “heavy” Russian ethnic areas - that they are is Russian propaganda.

Ukraine will never settle on those terns.

The border is already drawn - Russia just needs to withdraw behind them else they will rearm and come back for more, as well as such a proposal rewards Russian invasion of sovereign counties on an pretext they make up.

[MNDude]

Just saying if negotiation started 2 years ago, Ukraine might have actually got their land back.

Now they’ll probably be looking at paying 20 years of reparations. Hoping Trump negotiates a fair deal on their behalf.

[marcusmaximus]

This is a signal that Russia will agree to a frozen conflict scenario and then negotiate to exchange occupied Ukrainian territory for sanctions relief afterwards.

[philman_36]

The Wall Street Journal reported that Trump’s transition team...

WHO in the transition team? Unnamed sources yet again?

No credence in this reporting if names aren't given.

[Sacajaweau]

The majority of Ukrainians have Russian relatives. Here, in NY, they’re heavily intermingled through marriage.

[kabar]

Trump will broker a deal that works for both sides. He will use his leverage on Zelensky to force him to the table and offer Putin a face saving exit. Ukraine will have to concede territory in exchange for security guarantees (vice NATO membership) and economic aid to rebuild the country.

The senseless killing and destruction must end. Ukraine should be a neutral country. NATO expansion has been a disaster.

[AnotherUnixGeek]

I've already seen reports about Trump's proposal that go something like this: immediate cease-fire freezing existing lines of control, no Ukraine entry into NATO for 20 years, de-militarized zone to be patrolled by someone other than US troops.

I don't really care what's done, as long as we don't need to keep paying for it. The stories about billions being sent to Ukraine while destitute North Carolina hurricane victims get checks for $750 were nauseating.

[Flavious_Maximus]

That is a good and fair proposal. Ukraine will HAVE to give up the Donbass AND Crimea territories, plain and simple.

But, a big but, Russia MUST help rebuild the damage they did to Ukraine infrastructure. And perhaps even “pay” Ukraine $300 billion for annexing the Donbass.

Zelinsky will not like the idea of giving up ANY territory. But he will have to take the deal else Trump will not give Ukraine any aid and eventually Russia will take ALL of Ukraine territory.

A half loaf is better than none. Russia clearly has the advantage (because they are right next door to Ukraine). In many ways, Russia was forced to implement the special operation on Ukraine because of the needless 2014 coup (Orange Revolution) supported and planned by the evil filthy homosexual Obama regime. They provoked the Russians to act, and now here we are.

Trump, Putin and Zeliskyy will make a deal. And then all three will be awarded a Nobel Peace Prize.

[BobL]

“My take: with Trump we’ll go back to drill baby drill, energy costs will go down, and Russia won’t have as much money to do war.”

Love the idea of drilling here, but even driving down the price of oil won’t hurt Russia much at this point, as the suicide-sanctions from the outgoing administration forced them completely reshape their economy to the point where oil is now only a minor player.

[BobL]

“The only pro war people are the Russians and their supporters. This would all stop if the Russians just went home.”

I stopped using phonographs when cassette tapes came out.

[Brian Griffin]

"The linguistic composition of the uyezds (povits) of Taurida in 1897. Ukrainians in yellow, Russians in red, Crimean Tatars in green, Germans in gray, Yiddish speakers in blue, and others in purple. (in Ukrainian)"

"Taurida Governorate was an administrative-territorial unit (guberniya) of the Russian Empire. It included the territory of the Crimean Peninsula and the mainland between the lower Dnieper River with the coasts of the Black Sea and Sea of Azov. It formed after Taurida Oblast was abolished in 1802 during the course of Paul I's administrative reform of the territories of the former Crimean Khanate which were annexed by Russia in 1783. The governorate's centre was the city of Simferopol. The name of the province was derived from Taurida (Greek: Ταυρική), a historical name for Crimea.

"Today the territory of the governorate is part of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia Oblasts of Ukraine, which were annexed by Russia but remain internationally recognized as part of Ukraine."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taurida_Governorate

"Taurida Oblast (Russian: Таврическая область, Tavricheskaya oblast′) was an oblast (province) of the Russian Empire. It roughly corresponded to most of the Crimean Peninsula and parts of the Southern Ukraine regions. It was created out of territories of the Crimean Khanate, which Russia annexed in 1783. In 1796 it was merged into the Novorossiya Governorate. The name Taurida comes from the old Greek name for the area, Tauris, as in ancient times several Greek city-states had developed colonial outposts in the area.

"The oblast was created under the Imperial ukase of February 1784 signed by Catherine the Great."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taurida_Oblast

[FlyingEagle]

Tell your Zelinsky and your Biden Harris to just take their Corruption Uki War Grift to the Swiss Bank and take the deal on offer from your Putin buddy.

[delta7]

Russia says West should negotiate end to Ukraine war based on current reality,
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That is much better than Russia imposing a complete, unconditional surrender on Ukraine…..which I believe would be the best thing to do.

Unconditional surrender by Ukraine would ensure NATO and the West learned a lesson, and ensure future Peace.