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Floating and idea that I hope, at some point, gets some traction. Verbiage, legalese and examples are rough at best and should be peer reviewed for accuracy and discussion...but you get the point. If it's a crime to lie to a LEO or court, it should be a WORSE crime to lie to attain political office.

I'm thinking Linda, Obama, Xlintons, Harris and Biden, but ESPECIALLY WALZ with his outrageous, habitual and unbridled lies from his son's experience with active shooters, to China visits to J6er's actions. This pure perjury to the public must stop.

1 posted on 10/02/2024 4:50:21 PM PDT by griffin
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To: griffin

Good suggestion.


2 posted on 10/02/2024 4:54:14 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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Cold tar and feathers. Worked then, could work now.


3 posted on 10/02/2024 4:54:18 PM PDT by waterhill (I Believe! Eph. 5:11)
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Bad idea. Who gets to say what is and isn’t a lie? If this law were in place right now, for example, Trump would undoubtedly have already been convicted under it. The DOJ is controlled by Dems, and they have declared that the 2020 election was absolutely fair and clean. Trump has claimed otherwise — they would consider that to be a lie and would most certainly have prosecuted and likely have convicted him.

I’ll keep the First Amendment the way it is, thank you very much. If a politician slanders someone, they can be held liable in a civil suit, but criminalizing free speech is not a good idea.


6 posted on 10/02/2024 4:58:06 PM PDT by stremba
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Sounds like a good idea, but it also sounds like a First Amendment rights issue. What is needed is the press to act like they should act, and doing journalism to keep the politicians honest.

Thank goodness for the internet in that regard. Sure there are probably more lies than ever, but there is also the truth.


7 posted on 10/02/2024 4:58:40 PM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant - Never Fearful)
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Leaving for a bit to work out....so frustrated.

My teeth are gnashed!

RABID LIES and Perjury to the public. So many lies the truth cannot be recognized.

350,000,000 million counts of perjury and offense.


8 posted on 10/02/2024 4:58:47 PM PDT by griffin (When you have to shoot, SHOOT; don't talk. -Tuco)
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The fourth estate used to moderate such things before becoming the fifth column. That’s why the media have failed America more than career politicians, as we expect the latter to be self-serving filth.


10 posted on 10/02/2024 5:01:19 PM PDT by Shqipo (Make America America Again.)
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To: griffin
Good grief. That's a Democrat kooky unconstitutional idea.

Educate people to always be curious and very skeptical .

It's so easy now to do your research.

One man's lie is another man's truth.

11 posted on 10/02/2024 5:03:36 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 ( I'm Proud To Be An Okie From Muskogee)
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To: griffin

Completely agree.


12 posted on 10/02/2024 5:03:38 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to descalation of tho it for you.)
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> It is criminal to attempt to attain, or attain, public office while lying to the public for the purpose of attaining that office. <

And who would determine exactly what a lie is? A jury in a liberal stronghold would. And so anything a Republican says would become a criminal act.

Meanwhile, a bold DA in a red state would start indicting Democrats. The whole country would devolve into a mess of show trials.

So on balance, this is a bad idea. It’s the job of the press to expose the lies by politicians. Our problem is not the lack of new laws. Our problem is a biased mainstream press. That’s the difficult nut we’ve got to crack.


13 posted on 10/02/2024 5:04:21 PM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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Govt made it a crime for the peons to lie to govt and their agents.

However, its not a crime for govt and their agents to lie to the peons.

Not exactly what the Founders intended in terms or dynamic or overall civility.


17 posted on 10/02/2024 5:10:57 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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Politicians generally lie.

Why are you voting Democrat?

I want them to steal money and give it to me in exchange for my vote.

A lot of voters leave every bit as much to be desired.


25 posted on 10/02/2024 5:52:07 PM PDT by Brian Griffin (Kamala: "understand that some people need more, so we all end up in the same place, right?”)
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It’s legal for politicians to lie in Congress due to legislative immunity, which protects them from prosecution for statements made during official proceedings.

They just continue to do so wherever they are and the MSM plays along.


27 posted on 10/02/2024 6:10:22 PM PDT by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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"The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth."

-Menken

It is each citizens duty to know the con being played or the truth being told, and to act on the difference.

31 posted on 10/02/2024 6:16:15 PM PDT by blackdog ((Z28.310) Be careful what you say. Your refrigerator may be listening & reporting you.)
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Hard to prove that someone making a political promise is lying

Go focus on real problems


34 posted on 10/02/2024 6:44:47 PM PDT by Nifster ( I see puppy dogs in the clouds )
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Thank you for posting griffin.

"Outrageous Lies and Deception by Political Candidates - Violation of Trust. Should be Illegal."


I basically agree with you regarding holding candidates legally responsible for their campaign trail lies.

But also consider that evidently lots a bunch of voters have not really studied the federal government's constitutionally very limited powers. In fact, here's a quick lesson about those few powers.

If a given federal social spending program is not reasonably related to the US Mail Service, then you can bet that the program is unconstitutional and probably win your bet most of the time.

Otherwise stated, most federal domestic policy is now based on state powers, and uniquely associated state revenues, that the very corrupt, post-17th Amendment ratification (17A; popular voting for federal senators) federal government steals from the states (people's wallets) by abusing its 16th Amendment powers (16A; direct taxes), Congress not able to reasonably justify probably most taxes under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers and a few other constitutionally enumerated expenses.

What's probably going on is this. Post-16th Amendment ratification (16A; direct taxes), low-information voters are clueless when candidates for federal office promise them every constitutionally indefensible federal social spending program under the sun to try to get themselves elected, voters generally taking the bait and electing these crooks.

Once in office, lawmakers fulfill their campaign promises, including kickbacks, with unconstitutional federal taxing and spending programs.

So on one hand, post-17A candidate lawmakers, are making unconstitutional campaign promises, no express constitutional power for Congress to deal with most social issues outside voting rights protections.

On the other hand, post-16A ratification, low information voters are not practicing caveat emptor (let the buyer beware) when they elect crooks to office.

It takes two to tango.

Since Congress and likewise renegade states have repeatedly proven that they are enemies of the people imo, it is now up to Democratic and Republican Trump supporters to effectively "impeach and remove" ALL (exceptions?) state and federal lawmakers and executives in November.

In fact, it's up to us Trump supporters to take the first MAJOR step in draining the swamp by supporting hopeful Trump 47 with a new, Constitution-respecting Congress, new state lawmakers too, not only so that he will not be a lame duck president from the first day of his second term, but will support him to quickly finish draining the swamp.

Supporting Trump to finish draining the swamp includes supporting him to put a stop to unconstitutional federal taxes by leading the states to repeal 16&17A, effectively "seceding" ALL the states from the unconstitutionally big federal government by doing so.

Finally, let's not allow the anti-Trump media try to fade our memories of what we witnessed on July 13.


36 posted on 10/02/2024 8:02:12 PM PDT by Amendment10
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“Verbiage, legalese and examples are rough at best and should be peer reviewed for accuracy and discussion...”

Some might think those words are an admission that you aren’t telling the truth and therefore must be telling lies.


43 posted on 10/03/2024 6:45:11 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (c)
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