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Dear EV Manufacturers,

When we can fully charge an EV in 10 minutes and drive 400+ miles at 70 mph, in comfort and safety, then we will buy one. Sincerely,

The Motoring Public..........

1 posted on 09/24/2024 6:17:44 AM PDT by Red Badger
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LOL, what a nightmare these things can be.

My daughter and her husband recently rented an EV to meet us about two hours away - they had to wait for the thing to charge up, which took a while and made them late for the event we were attending - they came to our hotel, which had chargers, but ONLY for Rivians and Teslas, SIL tried to hook up and the charger didn’t fit their EV. They didn’t have enough “juice” to drive the EV back to the rental place so my SIL had to scramble to find the correct charger, which was at a shopping mall not too far away - and pray they were in working order. They had to leave the event early because of the charging time. Last words from my SIL: “Never Again.”


2 posted on 09/24/2024 6:23:21 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (You Say You Want a Revolution?)
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Almost half of the existing homes in thus country still have a 60A service.

Give them free EVs and they STILL couldn’t charge them safely unless they turn off eveything else in the house.

For hours.


5 posted on 09/24/2024 6:34:40 AM PDT by mewzilla (Never give up; never surrender!)
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I’ll buy an EV when they become hot investments in the collector car market, which will probably be never.


7 posted on 09/24/2024 6:35:32 AM PDT by equaviator (If 60 is the new 40 then 35 must be the new 15.)
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...and not have to worry about the car catching fire or exploding beneath us.


8 posted on 09/24/2024 6:36:04 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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The clock is ticking in California and a few other states.

In 2035, it will be illegal to buy new internal combustion engine vehicles in California and some other states.

Supposedly, you can still buy a used car after that date. But nobody seems to know for sure what’s going to happen.

Gavin Newsom and his ilk Are trying to force feed electric cars.


9 posted on 09/24/2024 6:37:26 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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Anything that requires a subsidy is not sustainable.


12 posted on 09/24/2024 6:42:32 AM PDT by allendale
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Under Klaus Schwab his World Enslavement Forum and the UN’s New World Order everyone will be wearing uniforms and walking anyway


13 posted on 09/24/2024 6:43:35 AM PDT by butlerweave
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To: Red Badger; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; BraveMan; ..

The real problem is Bidenomics.

The inventory of unsold gasoline vehicles is also high, has been throughout this model year. In June, unsold ICE inventories were 76 days’ worth, currently the average (sez here) is 88 days’ worth (3.2 million vehicles). Some dealers are going to fold up.

Out here in The Boonies the big local dealer (it’s visible from the Moon, I’m pretty sure) is lousy with trucks, Jeeps, and some muscle cars. About six years ago they added a separate building for used vehicles (including certified) and that would up shuttered for a couple of years due to the COVID hoax. They reopened it a couple of years ago, I’d imagine the stock turn in their used inventory is keeping them afloat right now.

The 2025 models are arriving.

In June Tesla had just north of 46000 unsold vehicles out of a total production of about 2 million a year (900K in the US plants). They were parking them in rented lots, some of which were at huge empty shopping malls, because that retailing model is on the way out.

The common thread is that potential buyers don’t have the cash and/or credit line (and/or job/income) to drop $45000 on a car or $65000 and up on a truck.

My little sedan was (I believe) the cheapest new model then available, and ran a bit more than $24K — and I had to wait for delivery because of the trucking crunch.


14 posted on 09/24/2024 6:44:30 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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I hate what the elites are trying to do to my progeny.


15 posted on 09/24/2024 6:45:05 AM PDT by Theophilus (covfefe)
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And throw in a non combustible battery while they’re at it


17 posted on 09/24/2024 6:52:37 AM PDT by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave!)
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I thankfully am old enough that I should be able to die without having to buy one of these things. Maybe I’ll be forced to buy a hybrid at some point but there should be used gas cars around until I’m too senile to drive.


18 posted on 09/24/2024 6:56:12 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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A local Circle K recently opened 3-4 EV charging positions. I guess it was supposed to be a big deal - our (Democrat) Governor was there for some kind of grand opening.

I’ve never seen a single car sitting there charging. I guess the owners don’t want to hang out at a Circle K for 3 hours while the car charges up.


19 posted on 09/24/2024 6:58:52 AM PDT by libertylover (Our biggest problem, by far, is that almost all of big media is AGENDA-DRIVEN, not-truth driven.)
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“losing as much as half of their value in a year”

Maybe the batteries should be a leased product.

The risk of defective batteries would be shifted away from the EV owner and the EV would then hold value well.


21 posted on 09/24/2024 7:02:23 AM PDT by Brian Griffin (Don't vote to be a tax slave on Kamala's plantation.)
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Nationwide, the inventory of unsold EVs had grown by nearly 350% over the first half of 2024, creating “a 92-day supply — roughly three months’ worth of EVs, and nearly twice the industry average,” says Axios, which is 54 days for gasoline-powered vehicles.

Another example of how planned economies fail.

Governments can't anticipate what consumers will want or buy.

The government tells producers what the public needs, forces producers to produce a product.

Then when the product is presented to the public, the public fails to buy the product and the producer is on hook for the losses.

Sure the producer can write off the loss, but that only recoups them maybe 30% of the loss.

I am going to drive my 2020 Toyota till I die if I can. No way will I buy an electric vehical.

30 posted on 09/24/2024 7:10:24 AM PDT by Pontiac (esse welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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Nationwide, the inventory of unsold EVs had grown by nearly 350% over the first half of 2024, creating “a 92-day supply — roughly three months’ worth of EVs, and nearly twice the industry average,” says Axios

As an economist, it's kinda fun to watch the market at work telling producers "we don't want these things". Still, the gov't is trying to create incentives to counter the market. Consider the government's $7.5 billion bill, passed in 2021, to build 182,000 charging stations.

A govt-sponsored charging is coming to your area...you just may have to wait a while. So far, with typical gov't efficiency, they have built 8 charging stations in the last 3 years.

31 posted on 09/24/2024 7:15:01 AM PDT by econjack
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I am roadtripping through Washington right now. I passed 4 tesla in Steven’s Pass all with dead batteries waiting for a tow truck.


32 posted on 09/24/2024 7:16:55 AM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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Ah yes, Electric vehicles! The ongoing debate!

Are Motorola or Tyco slot cars better? Every few years I run into my childhood friend Joey in the neighborhood and we still debate the question.

(Joey has been a local cop for decades,
about ready to retire if not already done so.)

So what say ye, folks?
Motorola or Tyco? :-) LOL.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FRace-Track-Sets-Large-Electric%2Fdp%2FB0BQYXZJWT&psig=AOvVaw3WDLMqWDFY59yN2ks6wRFN&ust=1727273826024000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBEQjRxqFwoTCNiGqtbi24gDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAP

34 posted on 09/24/2024 7:20:24 AM PDT by GaltAdonis
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There are other reasons, of course: EVs’ steep sticker prices, their short ranges and extended charging times (when a working charger can be found), the high costs of insuring and repairing them, their drain on the grid, and their bogus reputation (they’re not zero-emission vehicles).

Having spent 37 years in the electric power business I think about electricity maybe more than most people.

The issue with the batteries in these cars is, with today's technology, are insurmountable (in my opinion).

The issue with range and charging times is what I am thinking about today.

To make range comparable with gasoline cars requires a break through in battery tech. There are some things that are promising being worked on.

But charging times another matter.

To get charging times down to something comparable to fueling up a gasoline car would require very high currents and a charging cable about as thick as your arm. Most people would have a hard time hooking up their car to the charger.

I am thinking you would need a 480 Volt power line or better to supply the necessary amperage to charge your car.

Then the car would probably need an off board liquid cooling system hooked up to the car during charging to carry away the heat generated during the charge.

I really don't see the money out there to make such a transportation system possible.

Then there is simply not the electrical distribution system out there that could handle the ridiculously variable electric demand that would make it possible to charge car batteries in short times.

36 posted on 09/24/2024 7:31:46 AM PDT by Pontiac (esse welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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An EV with 50 mile range that could be charged overnite at home would be very useful for my daily shopping, etc…if it cost $10K or less.


38 posted on 09/24/2024 7:36:41 AM PDT by bigbob
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Last week, the House approved a resolution to block the Biden administration’s emissions rule that would require more than half of the automobiles sold in the new-car market to be electric by 2032.

It’s not within the government’s limited range of authority to tell Americans what they can and cannot drive based on cars’ various energy sources. Yet policymakers issue mandates with no regard for the short leashes that should hold them back.

We definitely should see a lot more of these resolutions in congress.

But what kind of power does this resolution have?

Yes, the federal government really does not have the delegated power to tell car companies what to produce and yet they do it anyway.

41 posted on 09/24/2024 7:42:14 AM PDT by Pontiac (esse welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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